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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by never2late on May 10, 2024, 02:46:36 AM »he sounds like a great resource. it's worth asking twice just to be nice.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by Ivyman on May 10, 2024, 01:06:09 AM »Yes, Edgar said it could be shared.
But, I will ask him again, just to be sure.
I respect his wishes. He is such a great lawyer, at a very good price. Let us make sure everything goes according to form.
But, I will ask him again, just to be sure.
I respect his wishes. He is such a great lawyer, at a very good price. Let us make sure everything goes according to form.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by AMonk on May 09, 2024, 01:08:48 AM »2. In the case of the book, the other author gave permission for me to turn it from a printed book into an e-book. He also gave me permission to share, at least with friends.
What "other author" ??
The Saloon is NOT just a few "friends". It is Public Territory. Please check with your Primary source - Mr Edgar
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The Legalities Board: Visas, Permits, Taxes, and More! (ON-TOPIC) / Basic Legal Info Every Expatriate in China Should Know?
« Last post by Ivyman on May 08, 2024, 04:07:34 PM »Hi Everyone,
1. What basic laws or legal info should every expatriate know?
2. Among those I can think of are:
a. Contrary to popular belief, anyone working in China does have rights. This includes expatriates.
b. In the final analysis, Chinese labor law dominates everything. Employers can sign contracts, etc., but Chinese labor law still trumps all.
c. Every worker, including an expatriate, is entitled to Chinese social insurance.
This includes valuable access to public hospitals, pensions, severance pay, unemployment pay, and disability pay.
d. It is your right to speak to a lawyer; they are much less expensive than in Western countries.
e. If things come down to it, it will go to a courtroom. Often, the Western teacher can win, as Chinese labor law is pro-employee.
f. Chinese employers fear getting sued more than most countries. Make sure not to talk about lawyers unless it is absolutely necessary.
3. Anything else?
1. What basic laws or legal info should every expatriate know?
2. Among those I can think of are:
a. Contrary to popular belief, anyone working in China does have rights. This includes expatriates.
b. In the final analysis, Chinese labor law dominates everything. Employers can sign contracts, etc., but Chinese labor law still trumps all.
c. Every worker, including an expatriate, is entitled to Chinese social insurance.
This includes valuable access to public hospitals, pensions, severance pay, unemployment pay, and disability pay.
d. It is your right to speak to a lawyer; they are much less expensive than in Western countries.
e. If things come down to it, it will go to a courtroom. Often, the Western teacher can win, as Chinese labor law is pro-employee.
f. Chinese employers fear getting sued more than most countries. Make sure not to talk about lawyers unless it is absolutely necessary.
3. Anything else?
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by Ivyman on May 08, 2024, 03:49:55 PM »Hi Everyone,
1. Thank you for clarifying about legalities. I did not mean to ask an obvious or stupid question. Rather, I just know that law requires careful analysis, not opinion. I want to make sure that sub-section was ready.
2. In the case of the book, the other author gave permission for me to turn it from a printed book into an e-book. He also gave me permission to share, at least with friends.
3. In my own life, I wrote a book. It is distributed. In my case, I never expected anyone to pay lots of money for it. I am just happy my ideas are being spread. I gain face, rather than money, from being an author.
Thanks for the advice.
1. Thank you for clarifying about legalities. I did not mean to ask an obvious or stupid question. Rather, I just know that law requires careful analysis, not opinion. I want to make sure that sub-section was ready.
2. In the case of the book, the other author gave permission for me to turn it from a printed book into an e-book. He also gave me permission to share, at least with friends.
3. In my own life, I wrote a book. It is distributed. In my case, I never expected anyone to pay lots of money for it. I am just happy my ideas are being spread. I gain face, rather than money, from being an author.
Thanks for the advice.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on May 07, 2024, 08:28:01 PM »In this case, I can see 2 possibilities.
The author decides that good PR and spreading the book will bring more business and agrees.
The author decides to be VERY protective of his work and might want to only allow a VERY limited exerpt.
The only way to be sure is to ask him. Ivyman, please ask him.
The author decides that good PR and spreading the book will bring more business and agrees.
The author decides to be VERY protective of his work and might want to only allow a VERY limited exerpt.
The only way to be sure is to ask him. Ivyman, please ask him.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by never2late on May 07, 2024, 06:05:27 PM »I would be surprised if someone who went to the trouble of researching and writing a book were happy about seeing copies of the book popping up on the internet without express permission. However they would probably be happy with a short excerpt and a link to where the curious reader can find more information.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on May 07, 2024, 03:19:54 PM »Regarding the subject line - Yes, Legalities is the best place to ask legal questions or to post useful legal info.
Do NOT post a copy of anyone's book anywhere in the Saloon (unless it's in the public domain) without the explicit permission of the author and/or copyright holder. Ask Edgar if he's ok having his book shared or not.
Do NOT post a copy of anyone's book anywhere in the Saloon (unless it's in the public domain) without the explicit permission of the author and/or copyright holder. Ask Edgar if he's ok having his book shared or not.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Is "Legalities" Best Place to Ask Legal Questions Everyone Should Know?
« Last post by Ivyman on May 07, 2024, 06:28:38 AM »Hi Everyone,
1. Given my layoff, info about employment law, etc. I am finding out that Chinese law protects us expats much more than most of us think.
Even my father, a seasoned US lawyer, always said "you have no legal rights abroad." In China, we often have rights against our employer.
2. Is there any way we could start a new tab, or simply post on legalities board, common questions that have utility?
3. Edgar Law in a Minute wrote a book, that I converted to PDF. I could post that, if allowed.
4. A lot deals with simple things to know, such as:
a. Yes, both sides will do 80% probation during the first two months. No fault breakups can happen then. But, after that, contracts must be completed.
b. Never sign any disciplinary reports by HR, etc. They can use that to make it look like an employees fault. Without it, they cannot.
c. Every employee, both Chinese and expats, are entitled to social insurance at any job.
If a company denies social insurance at any time that employee can leave with severance payments.
1. Given my layoff, info about employment law, etc. I am finding out that Chinese law protects us expats much more than most of us think.
Even my father, a seasoned US lawyer, always said "you have no legal rights abroad." In China, we often have rights against our employer.
2. Is there any way we could start a new tab, or simply post on legalities board, common questions that have utility?
3. Edgar Law in a Minute wrote a book, that I converted to PDF. I could post that, if allowed.
4. A lot deals with simple things to know, such as:
a. Yes, both sides will do 80% probation during the first two months. No fault breakups can happen then. But, after that, contracts must be completed.
b. Never sign any disciplinary reports by HR, etc. They can use that to make it look like an employees fault. Without it, they cannot.
c. Every employee, both Chinese and expats, are entitled to social insurance at any job.
If a company denies social insurance at any time that employee can leave with severance payments.
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: What's Making Me Happy!
« Last post by AMonk on May 03, 2024, 12:28:20 PM »
Good for "your" kids ... and the quiet little lady 
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