What's in the News

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #810 on: December 02, 2008, 02:43:31 PM »
That's a problem in China - the people don't have access to proper nerf weapons.

If nerf weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have nerf weapons!   ahahahahah
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #811 on: December 03, 2008, 03:45:46 PM »

294,000 Chinese children sickened by tainted milk

December 02, 2008
Article from:  Agence France-Presse

CHINA has dramatically raised the tally of children sickened by dairy products laced with the industrial chemical melamine to 294,000, more than five times the original figure.

The health ministry also said six babies may have died from consuming poisoned milk, up from a previous confirmed death toll of three.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24740912-25837,00.html

And are we surprised at the increase in number?  Wonder what the real number is?

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #812 on: December 04, 2008, 03:22:32 AM »
They just offed some guy who had a bogus ant farm scheme that suckered people out of millions of dollars*. When are heads gonna be filled with lead regarding this Melamine nastiness?


*I'm not making this up, and it's U. S. millions
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #813 on: December 04, 2008, 03:24:59 AM »
OH MY GOSH!

Do not order the Polish sausage in that restaurant!!!!
Or the Spotted Dick.

Re: What's in the News
« Reply #814 on: December 05, 2008, 02:02:21 AM »
There is an historical power struggle going on right now in Canada.  Rather than cut and paste some long articles I'll try to boil it down for y'all.

Canada is a parliamentary democracy, cut into 308 ridings, each of which elect a Member of Parliament (or MP).  After each election, the Governal General (GG- more on this job later) asks the leader of the party with the most votes to try and from a government.  If this party has a majority of the MPs in the House of commons, this is easy: while some may vote against some legislation, when it is a confidence vote (if the guv loses, an election must be called) they'll all get onside.

But for years we've had minority governments.  This is trickier: since the other parties have more MPs in total and thus more votes in the House, if they all gang up they can defeat motions and legislation that the governing party puts forth; they can even win a vote of no-confidence, and force an election.  But they have to be careful: if voters feel this has been done frivolously, we've been known to punish parties.

Our current leader, Stephen Harper of the Conservative party, has set a record as the longest serving minority government prime minister in our history.  He has clearly grown weary of of pussyfooting around the opposition, and when the largest other party, the Liberals, put up as leader one Stephane Dion, a compromise choice with all the charisma of asthmatic accountant, Harper pounced and called an election.  The timing seemed perfect: the Liberals wer strapped for cash, and the Conservatives spent a mint smearing Dion.  They looked headed for Harper's first majority government, and a far freer hand in running the country.

Then, 2 weeks before we went to the polls, the economic meltdown hit.  The direction of the campaign spun around: what are you gonna do in the face of this new crisis?  Amazingly the Conservative platform was: cut some spending and wait to see what happens.  While every other government put in a stimulus and/or relief package, Canada's government was proposing to basically do nothing.

The government's momentum was destroyed.  They increased their number of seats, but fell a mere 7 short of a majority.  Still, it was a strong hand to hold, since it would require unanimity among the opposition parties to resist anything the guv did.  What's more: their arch rival Liberals, the only other party that has ever held power, had garnered the fewest votes in their history; their leader was the least popular leader in parliament, and had agreed to step down at their next convention; and their purse was empty.  They were probably years away from being able to wage a strong campaign.

Now, to govern.  Recession looming; U.S. auto makers on life support, threatening hundreds of thousands of Canuck jobs (we account for 14 percent of of the Big 3's workforce); oil prices plummetting; and after all the pain, sacrifice and discipline to get our public debt under control and in the process of being paid off, probably deficit.

The throne speech, to kick off the new session, was simply incredible: it contained NO meaningful measures to deal with the financial crisis.  In stead they said they'd address it in their budget, due out in mid-January, and were completely secretive about what that would entail.

Much worse, they announced that they would save $30 million by cancelling the electoral subsidy.  This pays each party a buck fifty per year for every vote they got in the last election.  Now, it's easy to get campaign donations when you're in power, since everyone wants your goodwill; but when you're in opposition things are significantly tighter.  and like I said, the other parties are broke right now.  Without this money they couldn't put up any fight against the government at all.

It was a declaration of war.  The opposition parties, the Libs, the New Democratic Party (basically socialists) and the Bloc Quebecois (basically the Quebec separatist party), found the common cause without which they'd have never been able to see eye to eye.

The 3 leaders had a joint press conference, and announced that they had signed an agreement to form a coalition government- combined, they have enough seats in the House to form a majority.  Further, they had sent a letter to the GG informing her of their intentions, and placed this coming Monday as the date that they would table a motion of non-confidence.  "Mister Prime Minister, you have lost the confidence of the House of Commons.  We urge you, in the interest of your country, to accept this gracefully and step down."

The guv, thunderstruck, took the election fudning cut back, and introduced some token recession crisis measures, but clearly it was too late: the other 3 parties had despaired of working with the Cons and were determined to replace them. 

Now the GG has 3 options:

1. Grant the government's inevitable request for an election.  Normally this is a rubber stamp deal, but we just had an election a scant month ago, so it's expected that she will refuse.

2. Grant their next request, to "prorogue" the next session of parliament.  That simply means that they won't convene, therefore can't vote the government out.  Of course, this just delays the inevitable.

3. Appoint the coalition government.  To some of you, this would seem the obvious choice, since many countries have this happen regularly; but it has never happened in Canada.

The government is going to take option 2, and buy some time to mount a massive publicity campaign to drum up support for the Conservatives, and portray the coalition push as a coup (which it isn't), and a faustian bargain with seperatists (which it kind of is).

Our country, which is enviably prepared for a downturn (guv surplus, although the Cons pissed most of it away on tax cuts; total patriation of debt, i.e. Canuck banks hold it all; and strict investment laws that have kept firms from collapsing thus far)...

Is badly divided, when we can least afford it.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2008, 02:49:25 AM by Con ate dog »
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #815 on: December 05, 2008, 02:43:46 AM »
WOW!!!

I hate Harper, I am a born and raised Liberal, but I don't like the Liberal leader either.  This could be real interesting!

Hope the general public aren't dumb enough to believe Harper's attempt at propaganda!! llllllllll
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #816 on: December 05, 2008, 04:29:27 AM »
Interesting analysis, Con. Glad to see you back, too.

"Most young people were getting jobs in big companies, becoming company men. I wanted to be an individual."
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #817 on: December 05, 2008, 04:04:46 PM »
Update: The PM requested, and the GG granted, a prorogue.  The House is closed until late January, when the government will promptly deliver their 2009 budget, complete with a plan for these troubled times.

Best case scenario: Harper will finally reach across the floor and work with the opposition, or at least clue them in as to the plan.

Worst case scenario: Harper will spend a month and a half explaining how the oposition are a bunch of communist, conniving, incompetent, jealous, whining traitors to their country, and that MAYBE he came on a tad too strong, but he's the only one we can trust.

My bet: Harper will ride the edge of the knife, experimenting with how little grace he can afford to show.  Opposition leaders will meditate on how many insults they can swallow in the interests of their country...

I'll go out on a limb: I want a compromise, but I don't think there will be one.  Election in the Spring.  Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #818 on: December 05, 2008, 06:21:18 PM »
 Have I mentioned how glad I am to not live in Canada anymore? This is FUBAR.

Re: What's in the News
« Reply #819 on: December 06, 2008, 12:37:25 AM »
I really don't want to see a spring election. I want to see a working government. Failing that, a reasonable facsimile. Whether we'll get it remains to be seen.
Harper has pretty much used up his 9 lives and blown his last chance to act like a prime minister. I don't think that Dion looks anything like a PM, but I do believe he has the integrity to act like one for a short time while his party chooses another leader and we as a nation dig our way out of this snow drift recession. Similarly, I don't think the coalition has what it takes to provide stable, long term governance. Just too many fundamental differences. I do believe that the pressures of political necessity and the lessons of recent history are enough to get them working together for the common good, at least in the short term. I don't think 18 months is too much to ask for.

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #820 on: December 06, 2008, 06:18:31 AM »
Oh, Canada!

 bibibibibi

And, in the holiday spirit: Florida man beats father with Christmas tree!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iJi5Qhra5Jky8JXiniufnqjnvsvQD94R03AO0

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #821 on: December 06, 2008, 03:19:00 PM »
Oh, Canada!

 bibibibibi

And, in the holiday spirit: Florida man beats father with Christmas tree!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iJi5Qhra5Jky8JXiniufnqjnvsvQD94R03AO0


Now that's funny. Good thing it wasn't fruit cake cuz I think under any civilized law it's considered a deadly weapon. bababababa

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #822 on: December 06, 2008, 06:20:49 PM »
Americans have the right to bare weapons invented only to murder, but they still don't have the right to live their lives without fear from the increasing danger of getting their asses smoked out anywhere*, anytime by goons brandishing said weapons, usually legally:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20081205/ap_tr_ge/travel_brief_guns_national_parks


*shopping malls, places of work and high schools are the latest, greatest hot spots!

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Re: What's in the News
« Reply #823 on: December 08, 2008, 06:59:02 AM »
Blighty does a GFW:

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Six-UK-ISPs-Block-Access-To-Wikipedia-99540

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Six UK ISPs Block Access To Wikipedia
Child porn filtration gone awry...
10:36AM Sunday Dec 07 2008 by Karl Bode

According to notices posted by Wikipedia administrators, six British ISPs (Virgin Media, Be/O2/Telefonica, EasyNet/UK Online, PlusNet, Demon and Opal) are inadvertently filtering all access to Wikipedia after the site was added to an Internet Watch Foundation child-pornography blacklist. Those ISPs are using a few transparent proxies, and because Wikipedia's anti-vandalism system blocks users by IP address, every single user of those ISPs gets this message when trying to edit Wikipedia content:

Wikipedia has been added to a Internet Watch Foundation UK website blacklist, and your Internet service provider has decided to block part of your access. Unfortunately, this also makes it impossible for us to differentiate between different users, and block those abusing the site without blocking other innocent people as well.

This, and the very bizarre BBFC film censorship sure puts the nanny into governance.

"Most young people were getting jobs in big companies, becoming company men. I wanted to be an individual."
Haruki Murakami

Re: What's in the News
« Reply #824 on: December 09, 2008, 10:47:20 AM »
I'm on Be and not getting anything like that when I try wiki...
It is too early to say.