Quarantining

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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2021, 05:28:39 PM »
This is day 2.  Lunch should arrive in an hour to an hour and a half.  Someone also gave me another barcode to scan while taking my temperature.  Guess I'll run the paper through a translator to see what it's supposed to do before scanning it.

Sadly, I didn't get assigned to the new facility.  Pretty much after entry declaration, health check (temp, throat swab, nasal swab), customs, and collection of luggage, everyone gets in a line.  When you get to the front, you go to the next bus.  They even announce that you get no choice about where you go.  I don't know if any of the buses went anywhere else, but mine was one of at least a dozen than went to the same hotel in Foshan.  I recognized a few people on adjacent buses that were on the same flight.  The room is spacious (a pair of double beds and a nice sized bathtub I intend to soak in), but could use a little bit more routine maintenance.

The English copy of the guidebook said pay online (WeChat or Alipay) within either 24 or 72 hours (mentioned in 2 places).  I'll go out on a limb and guess they'd rather alternatives for foreigners without WeChat than not get paid.  I have zero idea what would happen if someone refused to pay.  They can't exactly throw them out on the street.  Official cost at this hotel for 14 days of room and food comes to 5964 RMB, which is a few hundred less that the new quarantine facility.

Deliveries are possible, but food (takeout or otherwise) and cigarettes are specifically prohibited from delivery.

Food is provided.  It's generic Chinese takeout.  Happily, I've got half a suitcase full of snacks.

The room does have a fridge (I should have gambled and brought an 8 ounce cheese brick - I could eat one in 2 days if no fridge).

The room is well stocked with almost everything.  The one item that's a little short is bottled water.  30 bottles for 14 days isn't quite going to cut it for me.  The good news is that more is available on request for 2 RMB per bottle, so death by dehydration is quite unlikely.

I've got the WeChat of an employee who either speaks English or has some really good translation software.  There was some sort of BEEEEEP every 30 seconds somewhere out in the hallway last night when I was trying to go to bed.  I messaged my contact, didn't get a quick response, so called my wife and asked her to talk to the front desk.  Reaction was typical for a Chinese hotel.  First, they send a maid or similar person who didn't really do anything.  Another couple of calls from my wife as well as from my WeChat contact (I send an audio file just to show how loud it was) finally got someone who hunted it down.  I'm about 90% sure it was some sort of "a door that's supposed to be closed isn't closed properly" alert.


The flight from LAX to GZ was a wee bit surreal.  On the way to the US, the stewardesses were dressed in their standard China Southern uniforms plus masks.  Two meals were served and a wide variety of drinks was available.  On the way back, they were in bunny suits with masks and face shields.  Food was a sack of assorted small items. Hot water, tea, and bottled water were offered a few times.  I did see one person get juice on request.

All the airport workers on the way into China were in bunny suits, as were the people unloading the buses and inside the hotel.  The only people dressed normally were a few uniformed and masked police officers keeping an eye out for stragglers from about 15 meters away.

I am allowed to open my door - for deliveries, temp checks, swabs (got one up the nose while writing this post), and to toss my trash in my very own biohazard waste bin.  There's a taped line about 30 cm from the door.  My delivery table and waste bin are on my side of it.  I guess I'm not supposed to cross it (and don't intend to test this theory).

From what I can tell, the Chinese citizens in the rooms around mine are getting exactly the same food and medical tests I have, except maybe for the person on WeChat (they can just call the front desk) and English copies of some of the documents.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2021, 07:58:11 PM »
Today is day 3.  I've been stuck in a room for this long or longer 3 times before - in hospitals.  The difference was that I could have guest drop in, had some choice in food, and might occasionally be shoved into a wheelchair and taken elsewhere for additional tests or treatment.

Day 2's dinner was an improvement.  Day 3's breakfast was unimpressive, but lunch was significantly better than yesterday.

Not only someone at the airport jam a swab so far up my nose that it hit my brain, but I've had a girl in a biohazard bunny suit try to bruise my brain with one 2 days in a row.  I'm told I should hypothetically probably only have to endure that 3 or 4 more times.  Other than that, she or one of her coworkers checks my temperature a couple times per day.  There are also occasional deliveries of paperwork.  I've never seen who delivers the food.  Whoever does it drops it on a small table outside the door, knocks, and disappears before I can get to the door.

My wife's been checking to see what happens when I show up back in DG after 14 days.  The answers are somewhat contradictory, but it appears there's a strong chance of 7 more days in a quarantine hotel - or maybe I could just spend the extra 7 here.  I did pack enough vitamins for a full 21 days (just in case something like this happened) and I'm rethinking my rationing of quarantine snacks to make them last longer.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2021, 12:41:00 PM »
Good luck EL!

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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2021, 03:56:30 PM »
Quarantine isn't fun, but it does catch the vast majority of imported cases before there's any further spread.  Got the news last night that one of my fellow passengers was confirmed positive. aqaqaqaqaq  Thankfully not on my floor of the hotel.  From the lack of a midnight visit from the nasal swab fairy, I'm guessing that I wasn't seated near this person on the plane.  Of course, she still might show up for in some extra daytime visits. amamamamam

I'm guessing this incident may have increased my odds of spending a full 21 days in quarantine. ananananan

Oh my.  The tag on my door got changed from low risk to high risk.  aqaqaqaqaq apapapapap aqaqaqaqaq

In better news, the food has been improving a little each day.  It's all been Guangdong fast food, until dinner last night.  Finally, a spicy tofu dish. agagagagag

I've also confirmed I can get packaged, non-perishable snacks sent in.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2021, 04:34:01 PM »
Day 5.  Seemed like another boring day, but then the Nasal Swab fairy returned for an unscheduled visit.  This time, it was a swab up each nostril plus a throat swab (3 orifices down, only one left unswabbed - so far).

One of the nasal ones went in so far that I think she pushed the reset button on my brain. ananananan

I'm guessing this is because of that person who turned positive.  Hopefully this triple swabbing won't be a daily occurrence.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2021, 10:41:51 PM »
nasopharyngeal vs mid-turbinate

The nasopharyngeal is the one that goes in until it can go no further. It's been the standard for virus detection for as long as people haven't needed it too often. Now that everyone is getting coronavirus tests, the CDC is recommending mid-turbinate swabs because they don't put as big a dent in your day. Sounds however like China is sticking with the tried and true.

As such I suppose we can call it highest possible standard of care.


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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2021, 11:53:37 PM »
Any chance you can request/get  Spit-in-the-tube test?  :wtf:
Hubby and I have had them, and they are SOOO much less invasive yyyyyyyyyy



 agagagagag

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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2021, 04:22:13 PM »
I'm pretty sure they could go farther in with the swabs, but I'm not going to give the swab fairy any ideas.

So far, I haven't seen a spit in the tube type of test in China.  That being said, all the tests I'd had before flying to the US were just moderately annoying throat swabs.  The whole up the nose thing started with my pre-flight test to get back to China.

Day 6.  Dinner wasn't bad last night and breakfast was ok.  No visits from the swab fairy (yet).  Regular morning temperature interrupted my very important task of counting the rail cars on a passing train (there's a VERY active track across the street from the hotel), so I had a slightly distressed look on my face.  (Sit around with nothing to do for a few days and a train track and see how long until you learn the importance of counting the cars.)  She asked twice if I was OK.  I said I was, since explaining the source of my distress would have proven difficult.

In more news, unless something goes wrong (goes wrong, goes wrong, goes wrong ...), I am schedule for release after 2 weeks.  I'm then going to "Home Quarantine" back in my village for one week, but it's supposed to be solo quarantine.  My lovely wife is there all the time and my beautiful daughter keeps coming and going.  So, I can't stay in my apartment.  The good news is that there are some empty apartments on other floors.  My wife has already arranged to rent one for a week.  Supposedly, after that's all over, I'll be free to run around again.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2021, 12:38:47 AM »
" ... after that's all over, I'll be free to run around again."

Let us most sincerely hope so akakakakak
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2021, 06:32:29 PM »
Wondering how prices vary.

At some point I was reading about a Shanghai quarantine hotel costing 10,000 a week.

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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2021, 03:50:06 AM »

At some point I was reading about a Shanghai quarantine hotel costing 10,000 a week.


10.000  aoaoaoaoao 

Ozzie money?  US money?  RMB?
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2021, 08:52:27 AM »
I did a quarantine to enter Vietnam last year. They let me choose my hotel and I got a nice one so it was kind of better than real life
China scares me because apparently you don't get to choose your hotel, One guy from our group chose the cheap hotel and he was in a box room with no window for two weeks

Re: Quarantining
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2021, 12:25:38 PM »

At some point I was reading about a Shanghai quarantine hotel costing 10,000 a week.


10.000  aoaoaoaoao 

Ozzie money?  US money?  RMB?


RMB.

But that report was from the very early days of quarantine. These days some other report was saying 7000 RMB for 14 days.



Honestly, what I'm really concerned to know is how employers propose to view quarantine expenses. Are they reimbursable as travel expenses or just a dumbass tax for people weak-minded enough to come and work for them? Bitter, cynical me supposes the latter and laughs at idealist me hoping for the former.

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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2021, 06:37:07 PM »
My hotel cost is 350 RMB per day, including breakfast.  Lunch + Dinner = 76 RMB per day (38 per meal).

Total damage for 2 weeks comes to 5964.  Somewhere, I saw the prices of the new facility in Guangzhou.  If I recall correctly, it was about 6300 for 2 weeks (including food for one person).

I'm seeing repeats on the menu from last week.  I want to see a few more meals to be certain, but if it's exactly the same as last week, I may see if it's possible to cancel lunch and dinner on Saturday (both were among the worst) and get my 76 RMB back.

If I understand things correctly, I should be collected Sunday morning to be taken back to a week if isolation in my village.  That will also be boring, but at least I can have good food served hot.


Something disturbing happened this morning.  Someone was shouting into a megaphone somewhere on my floor.  It was only 2 or 3 sentences and I was far to startled to even try to figure out what was being said.  I asked my English speaking contact on the hotel's staff.  She said some people had been out of their rooms.
 aoaoaoaoao apapapapap aoaoaoaoao

I wonder WTF is wrong with those idiots.  Yes, quarantine is boring and the food where I am sucks (and is generally served cold or almost cold - management evidently didn't notice those insulating boxes Metuan uses to keep food warm), but there is always the chance that the person in the next room could turn positive tomorrow.  If someone interacts with such a person, they may not turn positive until after discharge (and not everyone is going into another week of isolation - how people who've passed 2 weeks are handled varies locally).  This could result in someone starting another outbreak just because they wanted to chat with the person next door or across the hall - and end up causing entire cities to be shut down.

Maybe they should suggest to those who can't handle 14 days alone (or who don't have enough inner voices to keep them company) that they have a one-time option to pair off during the check-in process.  This would save money on the room, but would put someone in a bad position if the roommate turned positive (so far, I only know that one person from my plane did) or if the two decide they hate each other.  On the other hand, this might make the situation less stressful for many people.
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Re: Quarantining
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2021, 08:39:00 PM »
Probably varies by province, but what I read about the +7 days community observation is you have to have a home address with a separate entrance and separate air conditioning system. I don't know what counts as a home address (and whether or not for the plebs an employer provided apartment counts), but  I'm sadly assuming separate entrance means basically no kind of living space like you get in an apartment block where everyone uses the same stairwell.



In Oz quarantine, they did daily mental health telephone calls from a medical professional. Pretty clearly, 14 days isn't always a vacation.
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