How to beat culture shock?

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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2010, 03:26:28 AM »
Let people bitch if they want.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2010, 03:30:34 AM »
Let people bitch if they want.

yip. the saloonies are a generally pretty pro-life-in-China bunch, but everybody has a bad China day from time to time, and sometimes a friendly ear to vent into is just what's needed.

for me bitching often ends in laughing at the ridiculousness of the situation I've managed to get myself into, and that's healthy in my book
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 04:48:55 AM »
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for me bitching often ends in laughing at the ridiculousness of the situation I've managed to get myself into, and that's healthy in my book

Fozz - I'm in agreement with that. Sometimes it takes me longer to get there than others and that's OK too, as long as the awareness is there and I know, 'This too shall pass."

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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 03:21:17 PM »
People can decompress by complaining about issues at home, so they should be allowed some complaints here too.  Sometimes, something really over the top will happen, and a little venting here in the forums can be a good thing.  Just don't let it consume you.

My personal least favorite things in China:  1.  Employers who violate contracts.  Shepherd Book once spoke of The Special Hell, and I'm sure this is where they'll end up.  2.  Taxi driver who refuse to use the meter, especially the ones at the international arrivals area of the Guangzhou Airport.  Public executions should be enacted immediately to solve this problem.  bababababa

If you encounter something like this, come to the Saloon and whine about it.  Chances are, someone else will have a horror story far worse than yours.

(Your taxi driver refused to use the meter and charged you double what the ride should have cost.  So what?  My taxi driver stole my girlfriend, emptied my wallet, and sold both my kidneys on eBay.)
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 08:15:30 PM »

I go most weeks without seeing other foreigners so reading that others get annoyed with the same things that I do helps keep me from feeling isolated.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2010, 12:52:44 AM »

I love Stil's comment, because it also applies to me:
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I go most weeks without seeing other foreigners so reading that others get annoyed with the same things that I do helps keep me from feeling isolated.
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It's just that there is a point when it's no longer healthy to complain. When sucking it up and carrying on isn't just the "guy thing" to do, but the emotionally sensible thing to do. That's usually pretty close to the point where other people start to lose sympathy and find the complaining tiresome. Usually, but not always. Sometimes the complaints are entirely justified, and people lose patience with it because, well, people usually aren't very patient, and some stories do seem to go on forever.

Anyway, I'm not going to complain about anyone's complaints. I'll agree, D, that when someone hits the stage where they can't let go of anything and everything about this muddled kingdom makes him miserable, something unhealthy is taking place. My preferred treatment involves the consumption of alcohol and yangrou chuanr, but YMMV.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2010, 01:47:17 AM »
And now, something more fun.

Take risks.  I don't necessarily mean potentially suicidal risks like bungee jumping with all safety gear given thorough Chinese inspections before hand (although I found that to be terrifyingly fun, but then again, I am a Lunatic), but the time has come to set aside normal concerns about moderate bodily injury.  Maybe you'll fall so in love with China that you'll move here forever, but maybe you'll only be here for a year or less.  You need to enjoy it as much as possible, and can't do that while hiding from imagined (and real) risks.

Remember what was said about Chinese friends being overprotective.  Heed their warnings the first time, just to verify what's really going on.  After that, just remember to forget to mention little details such as "I'm completely lost in a dark alley" when chatting on the phone.  Chinese friends are very endearing with their desire to protect you from all dangers, but this can get in the way of having fun at times.

Of course, you will get your fair share of scrapes, bruises, and intestinal side effects.  I'd recommend bringing some good antibiotic first aid creme and some common anti-diarrhea meds with you.  You shouldn't need either too often, but when you need them, you don't want to waste time trying to find them at the local drug store.  If you mention a minor injury or illness to a Chinese friend, they'll probably try to drag you off to the hospital for an IV drip, so self-medication is the way to go for the small stuff.

As mentioned in other very helpful threads here, get vaccinated for everything possible, and then get tested to make certain the vaccines did their job (I had to have an extra round of Hep B vaccine and I know someone who had to have multiple extra rounds).  Don't worry, you'll find your way into a Chinese hospital sooner or later (consider it to be part of your cultural experience), but there's no reason to waste time in the hospital for things that are easy to get immunized against.

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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2010, 02:46:13 AM »
The first few months, see China as a Planet, not even as part ofwhat you commonly know as Earth. Don't treat the Chinese as aliens, but realize that they do things different than you. Sometimes you don't understand why. I spent the first two weeks or so talking to Chinese people, hashing out reports I heard from home and getting to know them. By getting a feel for some of the people can guage what you think of the population at large.

My first city in mainland China was a provencial city in Zhejiang called Dongyang. I was the only foreigner of a "town" of one million people. I am in the middle of nowhere, at least in my perspective. I want to explore the region outside my school.

I would suggest to any foreigner wanting to come to China, to first live in a city, a provencial town. Away from all the comfort zones. You want to live in China, live here. Live among the people.

At first, my boss didn't want me outside the gate without an escort. The school was more or less 2 kilometers from the city center of the city, and he did not want me to "go into town by myself". No matter than I am a big (well fat and slow) guy of 250 lbs. or more who can handle himself physically if anything happened. I have never felt unsafe among Chinese people. If anyone were to rob me, there would be 10 witnesses to the police, people just casually watching "da pangzi" walk down the road.

What things that will come clear is that all the Chinese people are different, but they are all caught in a stiffling vortex of norms and rules. Every Chinese seems to do the same thing, reach the same answers. Independent thinking is not awarded like in the west. China is monoracial and monocultural. In 5000 years, the Chinese have accepted absolute power and authority. Democracy doesn’t work here. I had a drink conversation with a Chinese who was young and fluent in English who told me this. Upon research and my everyday life, this is very true. Chinese work best when they have one voice. Taiwan for 30 years was under the control of Chaing Kai Shek, (who was Zhejiang-nese) and his son. Chiang and Mao agreed that China needs to be a unified nation under their control. No debate. Now the lure of money has somewhat put these two factions back together. Many 50 years from now the two sides will come together. Profit is more important than political ideology

The big thing in China in crime is theft. Don't leave anything outside. This is why I don't own a bike or an e-bike. I have been broken into twice in nine years, although in both cases, I am 90% sure it was an inside job. If you have an apartment with a steel door on a high floor, you should not have any worries.

I have not been back to the USA since April of 2001. I really would not know what to expect if I came home. I think I would feel like the Jimmy Stewart character in that Xmas film “It’s a wonderful life” that everything changed for the worse because I left. I am a believer that if one person comes to or leaves a place, that they have let their marker that would not have been there if they were never there.

There is a refuge of other foreigners in the big cities, mostly in their so called foreigner bars and place that they feel safe. The bar is a refuge. It has been mine. But it should not be your home where you bitch and moan about them while they serve you 40 kuai drinks. But again, to hear you bitch makes them know that you are adapting here in Zhong Guo.

I love living here in China. I love Chinese people. I really do. I occaionally have sex with 1/1,500,000,000th of the population. Occasionally.

They are usually a very nice people. They are highly intellegent and inquisitive. Many of us fall in love with them and have families. It’s mostly Chinese women and western men but I have seen western woman and Chinese men before in very successful marriages.

This is a website that tells the story of an Austrian woman who married a Chinese man that moved to my wife’s village before 1949. This woman moved with her husband to rural Zhejiang and suffered through through the bad times of mid 20th Century China. Through the very worst of it, this woman would not leave her husband and kids, even when the government welcomed and allowed her too. She would rather eat tree bark and grass with her husband and family than to leave. Screw the hassles of those of us with Chinese spouses to stay in China, think of her plight. I always thought this would make one hell of a movie. I met this woman a few years before she died. I, my wife, her and about four other Chinese knocked on her door. She opened it and was almost shocked to see a white (fat, German looking) white boy among Chinese see has seen for the past 60 years. I wish to hell I could of said in German “Hi!, I am your grandnephew Rolf.” Fortunately, my short sided humor was dislodged by my non knowledge of German language. I don’t think she has ever seen blue eyes in a long time.

She was fascinating however. She was Chinese. The woman assimilated. She was a blue eyed Chinese. She only spoke German and dialect. I am sure she knew a lot of Mandarin (because she was Austrian and European) but when I met her, I could not tell the difference. I loved her farmhouse. I was still in exploration mode and it was fascinating that another Alien has been here 50 years before me. I was so arrogant, I thought I was the only Westerner in many places

I admired her. She had children in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Having interracial children during that time must have been a special hardship. I can’t imagine what the kids went through. The kids still live in Dongyang. I would love to interview them. I know the Austrian woman had children, and the kids stayed in the local area. I don’t know how many or what sex, but at least one of the children married a local Chinese. Now, did the local Chinese family look down and this 1/2 Chinese, or were the brides and or grooms children of parents who knew the father was a great and good man and had no problem. I don’t know.

Chinese tend to have respect for any foreigner who can speak their language at a good level. This shows intellegence in the community, and it also shows that person’s ability to live in their community. You speak my language and are able to live in the community is valued.

The website of the Austrian woman. Note that she was attracted before him:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/NM-e/38979.htm

They are a tough people. They are not a people prone to violence unless you really, really piss them off. I am not cotton candying the situation here. Many of the people might piss you off. They are not angels. They have their own egos and desires. They will inconvenience you and mess you around if it is to their favor. Chinese enjoy negotiation and expect it. Be stong in what your wants are, but be expected to comprimise. This is business or personal relationships. That is the par of the course here.

Lastly, in my Star Trek vien………………….

If Aliens came to Earth, and wanted to know from us, which culture and race would be considered the “most human” of us, I would nominate the Chinese. The Aliens would study opposing reactons at the same time, and seeing Chinese might see that humanity might be crazy and best left alone.

Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 03:21:45 AM »
Laugh about the ridiculous things you see on a daily basis and always carry a camera.

Remember that getting angry at extremely rude behavior has nothing to do with not understanding Chinese culture--even the Chinese will complain about rude behavior.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 01:59:44 PM »
Laugh about the ridiculous things you see on a daily basis and always carry a camera.

Definitely.  Of course, when I carry a camera, odd things don't happen too often.  When I don't have my camera with me, this place turns into an absolute circus.

Don't forget to start your own collection of Chinglish signs.  If nothing else, these can be used to justify the need for more English teachers.

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Remember that getting angry at extremely rude behavior has nothing to do with not understanding Chinese culture--even the Chinese will complain about rude behavior.

The hard part at first is determining what is and isn't considered rude. mmmmmmmmmm
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2010, 12:00:15 AM »
Your first 2 months will feel like an adventure vacation; after that you will start to miss things, and especially people.  So set some targets for those 60 days.  Let's take job and home as givens.

How much Chinese will you have mastered?  Numbers?  Bargaining in stores (duo xiao qian? tai gui la! etc.)?  A command of pinyin, the spelling method for Chiense using the English alphabet?  Taxi commands?  Restaurant requests?  Dishes you like?  My first year in Suzhou I ate jaozi 5 times a week because it was almost the only thing I could request in Chinese- I mean, Ilove dumplings, but  aaaaaaaaaa

How many English people will you know by then, and how well?  Locals as well as laowai?  Will you have a regular social outlet outside of work?  A non-drinking social outlet as well?  I know I harp on that last one, but it's a very common pitfall.

How capable will you be in the kitchen?

And on and on.  Basically, after 2 months, your life is... your life, and your happiness will hinge on what you have built by then.  And from there, of course- let's not get too wound up.  just shape your new life from the getgo, and you'll have a blast of a year.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2010, 01:34:36 AM »
here's a question, I wonder has anybody been in this situation before?

I lived in China for 4 years, ran the whole gamut of Culture Shock, learned the language to a strong intermediate level, met my wife-to-be, then came home. I've been home for 2 years.

Now we're heading back over in just over a week... do you reckon I'm gonna have the whole honeymoon period thing again? I hope so, but not if it means I'm gonna have to go through the less pleasant bits later!!

Anyone got experience of returning to China after a prolonged absence?
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2010, 02:13:36 AM »
I was here for 18 months, left for just over a year, and then came back.  I don't think it's as severe up and down the second time.  You know what you're getting into, and if you're coming back for the right reasons (they'll be personal to you) you wont regret it.

A couple of things I can think of from personal experience though; Don't try and re-create your first-time-round - that's gone now.  Second one is, you speak a bit, or more than a bit, of Chinese, you understand a bit of the culture, and your ecstatic to be back.  But try not to get too pissed off with all the clueless newbs, cos you'll just look like an asshole, and you were one too once, remember?

Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2010, 02:42:34 AM »
Yeah MK, that's very true about the newbs, it's easy to end up sounding like an arrogant know-it-all.

Also, while it's nice to be able to help people who are new to the whole China-thang, you can very quickly become the go-to person when said newbs have problems. Which is also fine, but some people can become a little...reliant.
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Re: How to beat culture shock?
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2010, 02:53:04 AM »
I love newbies. You can get a good price for them once you clean them up a bit. Especially the blondes.