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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Can We Speak About Useful Social Rules in China?
« Last post by Ivyman on February 23, 2025, 02:16:18 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I hope you are well.

I was thinking about different social rules that are true in China, but not necessarily true in our Western countries.

I was hoping we could list what we have seen, time and again. Perhaps it could help in our work lives and personal lives.

I know this forum tends to be mature, with no smart aleck comments, etc. that are rude "don't fall off the street drinking baiju" type deal.

I also have consulted GPT, DeepSeek, and Grok. I am guessing a few people have even written books.

Can anyone give me their take?


What I have seen is:

1. At the workplace, things almost always perform less than a Western standard. (Car company production efficiency, schools, etc.). It can be a personal choice to go above and beyond; just realize there is a low chance it will be rewarded.

2. "When a boss asks a favor, make sure you are paid or he agrees to give a favor back."

Traditional Chinese society is very reciprocal, and will give well. Other bosses just feel entitled and enjoy taking advantage.

3. Chinese society is more agreeable than the West. Feel free to help others out, just know when to put your foot down.

4. Consult a lawyer before signing any paperwork. Just like in the West, companies love waivers of release, etc. to later further an agenda.

5. In the workplace, government, etc. "no news is usually good news."

So, if you want to make a big change, make sure to do it with furthering an after-school degree, engaging in a lot of exercise, or something that does not draw any attention to yourself.

6. Chinese tend to "good gossip," and "bad gossip," about everything.

So, even if your boss or big company does not reward every good deed, many regular students, families, etc. tend to know what good quality material is. If you are exceptionally skilled, pretty, etc. people may even come to you.

7. China values stability far more than the West.

Even with the housing crises, economic downturn of China, etc. it is would be very surprising if China would collapse, the way the USA housing market did in 2008, or Brexit hurt the UK.

Rather, it it more "we eat chicken these days," versus "we eat steak these days."
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by never2late on February 22, 2025, 04:46:56 AM »
in my case, I am definitely getting older. Oh, I am still 19, as I have been for half a century now, but it's getting harder to prove. And this spring (in a few weeks, actually) I'm moving to Canada. Settling my family down, getting the youngest into school, and learning to breathe clean Canadian air. I hope it doesn't hurt my lungs too much. The next time I come to China, it won't be for work. Fuggedabowdit. I'm due some foreign tourist time next time.
And so, as much as I value the friendships and everything I have gotten from the saloon, there just isn't that much that I have left to give. Or anticipate having to give in the future. I will still lurk like a villain in the shadows, because over the years this has been a special place for me. But I'm certainly not in the vanguard any more.
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Movie/film thread: resurrected
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on February 19, 2025, 04:43:47 PM »
Ne Zha 2 (2025)

I definitely recommend seeing the original first.  Otherwise, the . . . unusual status of the two main characters at the beginning will likely seem a little odd.

The first movie is well worth watching, but the second is better.  The animation quality is at least as good as major US animation releases if not better.  The story line is well written and includes some good plot twists.

Don't rush out the door when the credits roll.  Your patience will be well rewarded.
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on February 10, 2025, 09:05:58 PM »
Yeah, all 3 of those hurt, some in more ways than others.  ananananan

Still, getting some more of our old archaic decrepit longstanding and highly experienced members to post occasionally would make the Saloon more attractive to potential new members.

Could we maybe promote the forum on Reddit or somewhere?

If anyone active on other social media wants to drop mentions of the main saloon URL or links to some of our content, that certainly wouldn't hurt our chances of finding some new members.
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by AMonk on February 10, 2025, 12:38:03 AM »
Sadly, we've got very few active members.  If we could just get a few more, this place would look a bit less like an empty shopping mall.

The issue, as I see it, is primarily 2-fold:-
1) We are all getting old(er). Past our prime(?) and with much less than our original joie de vivre
2) Many / most of us have moved out of PRC and therefore have a severe lessening of our interest in China and her happenings.




And ...
3) Jefe died. 
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by zero on February 09, 2025, 07:25:32 AM »
Sadly, we've got very few active members.  If we could just get a few more, this place would look a bit less like an empty shopping mall.

Regarding teaching, the bad news is that demand for FTs is lower than it used to be.  The good news is that there are far fewer candidates running around to compete with you when you're looking for a job.

Could we maybe promote the forum on Reddit or somewhere?
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on February 07, 2025, 07:59:02 PM »
Was hoping to get in a few years of teaching as a semi-retirement job after age 50. Is there a lot of age discrimination for the jobs? Would mainly be looking to break even on salary.

Fewer competitors for the positions will probably make many employers less picky.  No more crazy qualification lists like "Must have a masters degree, 6-8 years of experience, and be no more than 24 years old."  ahahahahah
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Just a pretty uninformed point, although Japan is famous for having 20 years of 0% growth or whatever, when you go there it's still a great place, like when I went I spent time just walking around the suburbs because it's so clean and relaxed. China will never be Japan just because it's a really different place, but even with the apparent slowing economy, it's still a safe place and the infrastructure is getting better and better.
I think that the decline of the USA is going to make China rich as well, never lived there but from the news the US seems to be commiting suicide
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Best Places in China for Travel; Nothing Else?
« Last post by kitano on February 07, 2025, 04:01:47 PM »
For a boilerplate list Dongfeng, and Luoyang should go on your list. Both next to each other, DongFeng has some amazing mountains and buddhist stuff carved into the rock, nice town as well with a well done tourist district.
Luoyang is the ancient capital and has loads of restored historical buildings, museums and so on, also you can get a day trip to the Shaolin temple one of the homes of Chinese Buddhism, but more importantly the 1980s kung fu films and of course the birthplace of hiphop.

If you were doing a 'must see' list those two are worth it. Agree with EL though, although China is developed now, you really need a decent amount of information except the location because it's not geared towards tourists in the same way as those parts of Thailand are where you have a huge choice of English speaking agents to sort you out, you need specifics
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Wow ... this forum is still here!
« Last post by kitano on February 07, 2025, 03:52:43 PM »
I pop in once every few months, it would be nice if it was still active. People used to write a lot of content, I think that Raoul (RIP) used to write loads of guides and that is what brought people in. But also Google doesn't work anymore so I don't know how people would find the place.

There are still jobs in China, it's not recovered fro COVID fully and it's never going back to when they paid you for being a laowai, but there are still a lot of jobs bfbfbfbfbf
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