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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Talk Like a Pirate
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on January 27, 2021, 06:06:31 PM »
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum! (or baijiu)
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The BS-Wrestling Pit / Re: China's endgame?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on January 27, 2021, 06:03:41 PM »
Check with the patent office (even the US Patent Office) and you'll see that China's science and technology development is getting deeper and wider,

Check the latest on foreign investment capital inflows and you'll see that investors from other countries are betting more and more money on China's future growth and development.

China's long term goals are not a secret  Every 5 year, 10 year, 15 year, and longer plan is publicly announced.  Things like when carbon emissions will peak, when gasoline powered cars will no longer be sold get announced.  Components for a space station will be launched soon, and a research base on the moon is being planned.

China operates on much longer time frames than most nations, so "end game" really doesn't fit as well as "major long term plans."  China plans to be energy independent, carbon neutral, and be a major player in science, technology, and finance, all while continuing to improve the lives of Chinese citizens.  All of this will happen no matter what attitude the US takes towards China, but a mutually cooperative approach from the US will make the US, China, and the rest of the world more prosperous than a deliberately obstructive approach.
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Talk Like a Pirate
« Last post by AMonk on January 27, 2021, 02:49:18 AM »

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The BS-Wrestling Pit / Re: China's endgame?
« Last post by Calach Pfeffer on January 26, 2021, 06:43:59 PM »
Post-truth supposedly started with Watergate, where access to news media grew widespread enough that instant national shame could come into existence. Not historical shame, because who actually feels that on a political level if you're not part of an interest group. Real time national shame was the existential threat of the 70s through the 90s. These days we have Trump and conspiracies, and they're probably better viewed as the relatively benign result of developed nations spending half a century mitigating world wide impacts of people knowing what was going on.

The idiocracy needs a fair bit longer than that to actually become the true foundation of "the west". It has to do away with centuries of "truth" and "reason" in education and development. In that sense the current generation looks shaky, but only viewed on their own short time line.

So, China jumping on that bandwagon... it's about the same as their own scientific and technological development - really shallow. But it'll work. Having centuries of "truth" and "reason" as a foundation over here won't redraw the erasures of the last few years over there, nor those of the next few.


So is it true? Is the Chinese endgame in fact that shallow? I'm going to say, in foundation, yes. Tremendous amouns of money right now is big right now, but it doesn't last. So... by way of contribution to the rest of the world, what else have they got? What's the big thing for us all to cheer on? Why is that country's current ideological positioning more than just a giant road bump?

They're going to champion the developing world? That's so five years ago. What's their real game now?


I don't know that they have one beyond "survival".
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: Talk Like a Pirate
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on January 26, 2021, 04:21:18 PM »
Arrrrrrr....  Anyone still teachin' the locals how to parley in English needs to spend some time teachin' proper Pirate English.  If not, there's a plank in need of volunteers to take a short walk.
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The BS-Wrestling Pit / Re: China's endgame?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on January 26, 2021, 04:17:00 PM »
I would personally be happier of all sides didn't toss out conspiracy theories. For anyone on any side who wasn't an eye witness or doesn't have very solid evidence of where and how the transfer from animals to humans took place to claim to know exactly how this got into humans at this point is not helping to determine the truth.   I understand that China has floated some conspiracy theories because Trump started it and others in the picked it up and ran with it, but I think this is an area where taking the high road is the better path.  Making a list of all "possibilities" is reasonable.  Aggressive accusations by any side without evidence only makes the search for facts more complicated.

In the meantime, WHO is investigating and samples from around the world are being checked by independent laboratories.  If there's an intermediate animal between bats and humans, finding out what it is will greatly help narrow down possible points of origin, as well as whether or not any labs were studying samples of blood from the correct animals in the correct areas or not.

Sadly, even if the actual animal in question, the method of transfer to humans, and patient zero are all located and independently verified 1000 times over by the top scientists and health authorities of any country that cares to look, many people will still continue to believe whatever conspiracy theory best suits their personal biases.

In the meantime, nature is still busy cooking up nasty surprises around the world.  I hope the next time something like this happens, more countries will dive headfirst into containing the problem instead of trying to figure out if there's some way to politicize it.
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The BS-Wrestling Pit / Re: China's endgame?
« Last post by Calach Pfeffer on January 26, 2021, 10:12:44 AM »
Politics and economics tell us something different.

In America for example, we know longstanding dumbassery over firearms, climate change, and health care is driven by gigantic vested interest. (Smoking used to be in that group too but the manufacturers shifted their attentions to the developing world.) Anti-vaccination movements appear to occupy some other realm unknown to vested interest, but in fact parochial faith is the big one there. Communities pit their local version of humanity against the incursions of Satan in the form of histories of medicine.

And now to China where the virus definitely didn't start and won't someone think of the old people (they definitely die in Norway from mRNA).

China pushes conspiracy theories on COVID origin, vaccines


What's the vested interest?
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The Champagne Cabana / Talk Like a Pirate
« Last post by AMonk on January 26, 2021, 05:03:20 AM »
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The BS-Wrestling Pit / Re: China's endgame?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on January 22, 2021, 05:46:05 PM »
Science does tell us that it is very plausible that the virus passed from an animal to a human without any need for a detour through any lab inside or outside of China.  Viruses do this all the time.

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