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Calach Pfeffer

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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 04:46:02 AM »
It bothers me because it's become the China narrative. All of these China narratives seem so obviously designed to obfuscate and obscure, and they should be easy to see through, but somehow they're not. Somehow, these kinds of lie are the dominant narrative. This is wrong. It is illegitimate. And it's part of the creation of power. If these bullshit narratives become the guidelines for dealing with China, who, except for China, doesn't lose?

See, soft power? It's when other peoples and nations find your country admirable. How is there even any soft power narrative for China at all?

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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 05:27:54 AM »
Well there is a weird thing from a western perspective at the moment where noone is calling them out on it. Chinese government has always been hated abroad but at the moment noone can afford to mention why. I don't think it's going to last though, the 'Chinese Miracle' is running aground and I don't think that they have done enough with it to keep up their world leader status into the future

From a personal perspective, I want to get out of China, partly because I agree that the government seems to be becoming less stable, but also just because I think I've been here too long and it's never had the pull on me that it has with some people

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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 06:47:10 AM »
I'll admit that there are some Chinese drivers who use their horns to announce their presence, even if no one is nearby. ahahahahah

Then there are the ones who continuously outdo even the most aggressive Americans by honking at anything that impedes their ability to drive as fast as they like.  I'm sorry, but honking at the car in front of you that stopped for a red light is unlikely to make that driver willing commit suicide to block the cross traffic and let you through the intersection more quickly. kkkkkkkkkk  Also, that large rock laying in the road really doesn't care how loud your horn is. ahahahahah

What does amaze me about Chinese driving are large intersections with no traffic lights or signs.  Somehow everyone goes at once and none of the cars collide.  That could NEVER happen in the US.
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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 09:48:42 AM »
A surprising map of countries that have the most traffic deaths:

* China has roughly one-third as many vehicles as the United States does, yet it sees about 20,000 more traffic deaths a year. Many drivers tend to ignore traffic rules, which has prompted the government to impose strict new laws such as a controversial new measure making it illegal to run a yellow light.

Also, according to worldwide road death stats:

Half of the world’s road traffic deaths occur among motorcyclists (23%), pedestrians (22%) and cyclists (5%) – i.e. “vulnerable road users” – with 31% of deaths among car occupants and the remaining 19% among unspecified road users.

That is, what saves you isn't the horn they honked at you. It's being in armour bigger than theirs.

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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2014, 09:53:58 AM »
China, incidentally, doesn't have world power ambitions. At least, not the kind of ambitions that entail concomitant responsibilities. They're willing to organize the taking of resources, but not to engage with international institutions like the construction of adequate law for all. They want to stay with their power base. None of the narratives about Chinese legitimacy describe how actual government takes place in China, except for the one that describes the primacy of The Party. And how does that translate to an international context?

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Re: Things the west Could Learn from China
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2014, 12:44:23 AM »
I'll wager the incredibly low rate of seatbelt usage makes those death statistics a lot worse. kkkkkkkkkk

Oddly enough, the vast bulk of the accidents I've seen are minor fender-benders.  In town, the speeds don't get high enough to take out too many occupants of vehicles.  I did once spot a roughly person-shaped impression in the front of a van that was pulled over.  From the depth of the dent, it looked like a probable pedestrian fatality.
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