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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2012, 05:45:48 AM »

Sorry my fav language mill didn't work out.

Download the most recent copies of Here magazine (HereDG.com).  Skim the help wanted part of the classifieds and sometimes there are language mills looking for teachers.  There should be a new issue being uploaded sometime in the next few days.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 05:10:12 AM »

Without a TESOL/TEFL/CELTA/DELTA certificate and at least two years experience teaching English (in a foreign country) it's highly unlikely any uni would be able to get your Work Permit and Letter of Invitation.

This is not true.

The basic legal requirements are:
(1) A bachelor degree (in anything); and
(2) Either:
     (a) Two years teaching experience. OR
     (b) A TEFL certificate (can be a TESOL/CELTA or DELTA cert.)

Some schools may REQUIRE both parts of (2) as part of their internal hiring policies.

Most schools will PREFER (2)(b) as part of their internal policy even if you have (1) and (2)(a). Thus, the language you often see in job ads like: "Bachelor degree and two years teaching experience. TEFL certificate preferred."

All schools are required (in order for them to get the FEC (1) and EITHER (2)(a) or 2(b).

In short, a TEFL (or similar) cert. can substitute for the 2 years experience, but not for the bachelor degree requirement.

SAFEA (which operates the FEC scheme) itself conveniently offers a 7 Day TEFL-type training, the certificate from which can be used in lieu of the 2 years experience requirement, but you still need a bachelor degree underlying everything.
Not in Guangdong. You need a TEFL cert if your employer is legit (they will be faking one for you or working you on an F visa if not)
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 02:10:55 PM »

So yeah ... I have this pretty decent job in GZ that I need to get rid of ... If you want it, pm me XD
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2012, 03:08:03 PM »

Different kinds of schools have different regulations but now in Suzhou in a training center the teacher must have degree, TEFL/CELTA and 2 years work experience. Not an either or situation here.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2012, 09:30:01 PM »

Old 34,  I am not familiar with SAFEA, would they be a solid organization to get a widely accepted TEFL certificate from? I was thinking of just getting a scrap of paper from an online entity, but if SAFEA is as diesel of an authority as their name implies, it seems like their 7 day course is on the menu.

It looks like the courses they refer take place IN China. I am still doing hard labor over here in New York, but maybe with a little planning I could wrap up a course just before starting a job (which I'm sure is going to present itself soon).

I am hoping to end up in Guangzhou, Guangdong. Still searching for a position in the area.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2012, 11:19:32 PM »

Old 34,  I am not familiar with SAFEA, would they be a solid organization to get a widely accepted TEFL certificate from? I was thinking of just getting a scrap of paper from an online entity, but if SAFEA is as diesel of an authority as their name implies, it seems like their 7 day course is on the menu.

It looks like the courses they refer take place IN China. I am still doing hard labor over here in New York, but maybe with a little planning I could wrap up a course just before starting a job (which I'm sure is going to present itself soon).

I am hoping to end up in Guangzhou, Guangdong. Still searching for a position in the area.


The SAFEA certificate is NOT widely recognized. It is recognized only by SAFEA-approved schools and no one else. It's a fail-safe option if you find yourself in China unable to meet the two-year requirement.
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 01:50:45 PM »

The SAFEA certificate is NOT widely recognized. It is recognized only by SAFEA-approved schools and no one else. It's a fail-safe option if you find yourself in China unable to meet the two-year requirement.

Even the Ks (public school) won't recognise a 'Certificate' that is under 100 hrs.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 06:01:26 PM »


I'm putting this on Guangdong or Bust only to avoid starting a new thread -- but I am open to any convincing suggestions on where to locate.

I am back to cold-calling (energy-deficient emailing) and am once again throwing out a line for any advice.

I have limited teaching experience, a BA in History, travel experience, and an urge to get into teaching -- particularly in China.

What do you (ya'll) think is the most fruitful job posting site for China (for job seekers)?

Should I be more dedicated? ie: should I have my bags packed?   

I have missed the September semester and am shooting for January. I am open to any ideas/suggestions/tips/leads/criticism/jokes/laughter/stories/experiences/condolences/whatever you wanna throw out here.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 01:52:04 AM »

I have limited teaching experience, a BA in History, travel experience...

What exactly is "limited teaching experience"? Did you ever get a TEFL/TESOL/CELTA/DELTA certificate? Your travel experience doesn't count for anything.

If you have two years teaching experience and a TEFL(etc.) certificate, unis should be 'falling all over themselves' to make you offers. As has been discussed, if you don't have at least one of these qualifications (or both, depending on the province) you won't qualify for a Z visa.

In October, uni FAOs will start their quest to fill the openings anticipated for spring semester 2013. You may want to expand your search to include provinces other than Guangdong. Even in the communist 'Peoples' Paradise', market forces are at work and the law of supply & demand dictates, in general, higher wages and better benefits in areas that have difficulty attracting applicants... and vice versa. Just make sure you don't end up in some polluted industrial 'Hell hole'.

After starting my job search and hitting several roadblocks, I 'settled' for a third tier, public (provincially funded) uni in a third - fourth? I don't know how these things are calculated - tier 'city'... and couldn't be happier.  th_ak  The FAO treats me like gold. They pay above average wages (for a uni) and  the cost of living is a fraction of that in Beijing or Shanghai. I have practically no expenses. I get allowances every semester for water and electricity... but there are no meters, so no bills. I get a 'transportation allowance' (as well as the more common 'traveling allowance') but the uni provides free buses between campuses and into the 'big city'. The contract is for a full 12 months i.e. fully paid holidays (I just had 2.5 months off for summer vacation). My weekly schedule this semester is: Mon., Tue. & Wed. mornings 8:00-11:30, followed by a four-and-a-half day 'weekend' (my Fri. morning classes were canceled due to lack of enrollment).  th_bf  My apartment is nice... and my 'commute' is literally a two-minute walk to the teaching building (if the class is on the 5th floor,it takes longer to climb the stairs than it does to get to the building). Some of this is just luck, but most is due to careful contract negotiation.

So, what's the catch? This -
The campus where I live/teach is in the middle of nowhere... in a place I affectionately refer to as "Dirt City" (it's not a city, it's not even a town).  th_ah  The campus is immaculate, but as soon as you step out the gate into the 'village' there is dirt (and garbage... covered in dirt) everywhere... on everything. The whole area is giant construction zone. There are giant piles of dirt. There are giant holes in the dirt. There are giant piles of dirty gravel in the streets. There are giant piles of dirty sand in the streets. There are giant piles of dirty bricks in the streets. There is dirt in the air.

I get 'free' dirt with everything I buy. dancemj
 

The 'saving graces' are: the 'big city' is only a 45 min. (free) bus ride away should I require something 'Western' (like cheese); plus, the international airport is only 30 min. away... and I have the time and money to travel.

If you think you can handle living somewhere like 'Dirt City' (I know it would not be for everyone), don't get too focused on Guangdong.

Harvest all the uni FAO contact emails you can, then 'carpet bomb' them with a cover letter applying for a job with attached scans of: your degree, TEFL/TESOL certificate, resume, info. pages of your passport and good portrait photo.





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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2012, 07:17:41 AM »

I've used abroadchina.org for every job I've gotten in China so far. I like this site because you can contact the schools directly.  There are a lot of good sites over in the links page as well. I got my first job in China by sending my resume everywhere. Big city or small town, it didn't matter to me, I just wanted to get to China. I ended up taking a job in a small town for my first year, mainly because the FAO was the only one I could actually understand during the interview. Once you're in China it becomes a lot easier to find jobs in an area you want to live in. I lived in the small, rural, town for a year then moved on to bigger and better cities.
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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2012, 08:52:58 PM »

CruiseMonkey -- How do I find the grapevine of FAO contact emails?

Also, how did you get MJ on your post?


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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2012, 10:06:34 PM »

CruiseMonkey -- How do I find the grapevine of FAO contact emails?
Google lists of Chinese universities and go to their websites looking for contact information.


Also, how did you get MJ on your post?
Click on the blue [more] on the left under the 'smileys'.
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2012, 02:57:09 PM »

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