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« on: April 19, 2012, 04:53:02 AM »

I have just signed my resignation notice at my current public school.   Main problems were:

1)  Turned in lesson plans a bit late (by a bit late I mean one day late) because I was confused about the schedule and there were a lot of them to do. I had to stay up all night to complete some of them.

2)  Management style was generally threatening and not conducive to a positive working environment.

3)  I am not an "exciting" or "fun" teacher.  I seem to have the crazy notion that I should make a serious effort in my class and expect the students to make a serious effort as well.


My personality style is kind of introverted and I do need an environment where I generally feel welcome in order to do well.  Korea doesn't seem to be that kind of place anymore. 

What would be the likely result if I were to take a university job, to get my foot in the door, then move on to better things if the uni job turns out to suck?
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 04:59:07 AM »

  What would be the likely result if I were to take a university job, to get my foot in the door, then move on to better things if the uni job turns out to suck?

I think that sounds like an absolutely fine option. Check the employer review section for positive reviews of schools.

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 08:43:19 AM »


My first ESL job was South Korea at a Wonderland school. I lasted there about six months and took off. I have posted here about that hellhole, and you can look for it under my name if you like. This was my very first job, received no training, help or guidance and was spied upon by some members of the staff.

http://raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?topic=6769.15

This was my post concerning China vs. Korea for teaching.

Usually the schools here in China will not require the number of hours that a Korean school would demand. One thing (of about 1,000) I hated with that school was that I had to go there six days a week, with the weekday being a looooooooong ass day, like 9 AM to 6 PM with small breaks between. Public school jobs wont tax you for time so much. I say avoid the private schools, because some of them will require a lot of hours with poor pay

The Koreans kids I taught, about 90% of them were assholes, mean, violent (literally)trolls. I did have some sweet kids, but they were a small minority. I have taught in China for 10 years, and while yes, some kids could be mean dickheads, the vast majority of them are much more friendly and respectful.In the 10 years I have lived in China, I have never had Chinese kids act as horribly as the Korean kids.

Koreans by and large dislike foreigners. There are exceptions to the rule, but by and large they do not want to know you. Chinese are the polar opposite. They want to know the foreigner. At least in Hangzhou, the foreigners all have Chinese friends, associates, wives and lovers. Chinese are a strange lot to be sure, but my opinion of them is that they are nice, kind, sweet people.

I hated Korea but Korean food was the bomb. Even the food that was cooked at the school for the little kids. Supermarkets are also better in Korea. Korea had sweet pickles, which I cannot find in China. Korea did have a lot more choices in westernized fast food and whatnot

China to me is more fun than Korea. Korea just sucked. I lived in a suburb called Anyang which was so soulless. This was back in 2000-01 before what we know now as social networking, so there were no foreigners to meet with. The Koreans by and large wanted nothing more than to leave Korea (and this is the South, not the North).

You are not going to make as much money here as in Korea. Ten years ago I was doing privates making 40,000 Won an hour at people's homes. This is hard to find in China. By and large, no one official would care if one is doing part time work in China. In Korea, each building has a door guard that will spy for the police to catch foreigners teaching on the side (look it up online.) and deporting them.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 04:53:25 AM »

I'm also leaving Korea.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 04:08:51 PM »

Naturegirl, if someone with your qualifications is leaving a university job in Korea, then I honestely don't hold much hope for the country in general.  I would have liked to have saved a bit of money before going to China, but I don't know if my current situation will make that possible.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 09:27:51 PM »

3)  I am not an "exciting" or "fun" teacher.  I seem to have the crazy notion that I should make a serious effort in my class and expect the students to make a serious effort as well.

This will be a problem in China too, and your expectations will likely be even more disappointed than in Korea. "Making an effort" is just not something many Chinese students will be prone to do.

Welcome to East-Asian education. th_a
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2012, 01:57:14 PM »

Naturegirl, if someone with your qualifications is leaving a university job in Korea, then I honestely don't hold much hope for the country in general.  I would have liked to have saved a bit of money before going to China, but I don't know if my current situation will make that possible.

My job was really, really good. ONe of the best kept uni secrets in Korea. Then we got new admin. Lots of people have left and this year we're going tohave a huge turnover. Oh, and if you're over 45, don't apply: you're too old  th_ao

I think that unis, at least in my experience, want young, FOB kids with degrees from Harvard, Yale and the like, so they can tout them around and say what good teachers are. Then pay them low wages. Though, honestly in my opinion, if you have a degree from Harvard or Yale and it's not in education and you're coming to Korae to teach English, it doesn't say good things about your or your degree or your ability to get a "real" job.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 03:32:57 AM »

"3)  I am not an "exciting" or "fun" teacher.  I seem to have the crazy notion that I should make a serious effort in my class and expect the students to make a serious effort as well"

Unless you are in a top tier university (or so I have heard) then this may be an issue. Last year I was asked to teach history which I was very excited about as it is my passion and one half of my major at uni. I was terribly disappointed.

Foreign Teachers here are half entertainers and half teachers. Which for Oral English is not necessarily a bad thing. BUT for any other subject it can be a little soul destroying when the students simply will not (or cannot) focus to the standard we expect.

But this is just from my 2 years experience so maybe I have just been unlucky! 
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 05:33:50 AM »

Right now I just sort of feel like my life is going to suck for the remainder of it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 10:27:47 AM »

Right now I just sort of feel like my life is going to suck for the remainder of it.
I hope you are just having a bad spell and that things will start looking up for you very soon. There are lots of good places in the world. It sounds like you need to get away from where you are.

Look for the silver lining. You get to find a new place to call home and you get to make new friends. The best is that no one in the new place will know about your past, so you start fresh.  I hate the physical details of moving (it's hard work), but there's lots exciting about it too.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 12:01:15 AM »

Right now I just sort of feel like my life is going to suck for the remainder of it.
I hope you are just having a bad spell and that things will start looking up for you very soon. There are lots of good places in the world. It sounds like you need to get away from where you are.

I don't think this is just a bad spell.  I really do think the rest of my life is going to suck.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »

I don't think this is just a bad spell.  I really do think the rest of my life is going to suck.
I'm really sorry to hear that. Not sure what cyber friends can do to help, but you've got a community here to vent to.
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