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« on: October 31, 2011, 09:23:50 PM »

Does anyone out there use a mobile, USB in laptop style broadband service? If so, how good is it, and what does it cost?
Any advice much appreciated from one returning to China after a long absence.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 10:38:55 PM »

I am also interested in this question. I am looking at it more as a backup to the Internet that is provided to me by the university than anything - but it is certainly not unknown for us to lose access altogether at times (for a couple of days last time) and at other times I would like to have good mobile access to Internet when I am not at home. What are the options available to us for wireless access to the Internet?
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 12:31:06 PM »

[This should be moved to the Tech Talk board]


Does anyone out there use a mobile, USB in laptop style broadband service? If so, how good is it, and what does it cost?
Any advice much appreciated from one returning to China after a long absence.

I am also interested in this question. I am looking at it more as a backup to the Internet that is provided to me by the university than anything - but it is certainly not unknown for us to lose access altogether at times (for a couple of days last time) and at other times I would like to have good mobile access to Internet when I am not at home. What are the options available to us for wireless access to the Internet?

I've got some experience with this issue with all 3 telecom companies, though maybe not so much advice on prices, and some of this is dated. This will probably be long, so I'll put my takeaway advice here at the top: I wouldn't rely on any of the 3G as a primary internet service, but they're great, as teacheraus suggests, as a back up or supplemental service.

So here got, but first some background on the current landscape here: Here's a list of the 3 telecom companies and what mobile systems they currently offer:

A. China Mobile  2G: GSM, EDGE  3G: TD-CDMA (a Chinese self-developed system)
B. China Unicom  2G: GSM           3G: WCDMA
C. China Telecom 2G-CDMA        3G: CDMA2000

1. My first experience was a number of years ago (5 or 6) with China Mobile. (I.e. this was pre-3G so is dated, but may be still relevant as explained later.) I was working on a translation project with a local newspaper where they would send the top 5 daily news articles to a translation company by 10:00 am each morning. The translation company would translate the articles from Chinese to Chinglish and send them to me by 2:00 pm. I had to "translate" them from Chinglish to English (i.e. polish" them) and send them to the newspaper by a 5:00 pm deadline. Because of the tight deadlines, I asked for and received, gratis, a USB dongle with internet service from China Mobile which provided instant access anywhere. I don't know the cost because it was given to me and there were no limits on usage that I was aware of. I never failed to immediately connect anywhere (including out of province, on trains and buses, and once a boat). The translation company would SMS me when they had emailed the Chinglish version, I'd pop the dongle into my laptop (which meant I was always carrying the laptop every afternoon), I'd log on, get the email, polish the articles and send them on. 90% of my usage was email/text related and the GSM service was fast enough for that. I'd occasionally use the Internet to check references and stuff and, compared to today, was somewhat slow. But for back then, it wasn't bad. It was GSM then, but is now EDGE (G2.5) unless you  subscribe to China Mobile's 3G service. Just about everyone I know trashes China Mobile's current 3G service as slower than the other two plus it's a China-only service built by China. (As an aside, there were numerous electric blackouts that summer and I was really glad to have the USB so I could connect even when I was home in my apt. and the power went out.)

I worked on that project for 6 months but didn't renew my contract with them because the everyday 5:00 pm deadlines put a crimp in my afternoons. They let me keep the dongle, but it stopped working a month or two later. As it was provided to me by the newspaper, I have no idea of cost, but that would be irrelevant now. However, the info on EDGE may still be useful as I'll explain below in Part 4.

2. In April 2009, when the Chinese companies all started 3G, I decided to splurge and get one. As the 3 systems were new, no one was quite sure which was the best, but a friend of mine in the business recommend I get a CDMA2000 service through China Telecom. He arranged a deal through a friend of his and I got an 1800 RMB package for 1360RMB. That included the cost of the USB dongle. I wasn't using it as a primary service, but for times when I had no access. I can't remember what level I got but it was based upon usage (Gbs used) and I guesstimated how much I might use in a year. It ended up using it all up in about 10 months, but that was because I used it out-of-province for two months and, I learned, data usage gets charged a kind of "roaming rate" when you are out of town. I didn't renew it, mainly out of laziness and because a few months later, option 3 came along. For this service (China Telecom-CDMA2000) the speed was excellent, even with video) and I had no trouble accessing the internet anywhere, anytime.

3. Last year, and up until the end of August, I was using a China Unicom 3G USB dongle (WCDMA). It was capped at 1G data usage per month. If you used up the 1G, it stopped working until the beginning of the next month although you could stop by a China Unicom store and add money, just like a regular SIM card.

(Actually this one and the previous one worked by inserting a SIM card from the provider into the USB dongle. As I recall, the first one just acted as a modem and connected to China Mobile's service and you had to log in through your browser to starts it up. I believe all three 3G services now operate using SIM cards and you just plug it in and click connect.)

The speed on the latest one was lightning fast-just a bit slower than a regular Wifi connection. I also liked this one, because it came with an entire English interface and you could easily track your usage. This one was a yearly plan but was given to me by a manager from Nokia as a gift so the cost had been pre-paid by Nokia. He gave it to me 2 or 3 months after Nokia had gotten it, so I didn't get a full year usage out of it. I only completely used up the 1G/month once-when I was in the hospital for two weeks. The hospital had no internet at all for patients so I was using this as my main service for those two weeks and ran through the 1G pretty quickly. Otherwise, I rarely came close to suing 1G in any month. Unfortunately, the previous month's balance doesn't carry over. You star from 0 on the first day of every month. Obviously, since Nokia paid for it, I have no idea what the cost is. (Nokia is also a partner with China Unicom and they probably get some of these from China Unicom as part of their arrangement so this may not be a regular China Unicom plan.)

4. In between those times when I didn't have the services/USB described above, I've had (and learned how to use) mobile phones that I could tether to my laptop. Early on in China, I had Sony-Ericsson phones and later Nokia phones that came with software/drivers and a USB adaptor so you could connect the phone to your laptop and use the phone as your modem to connect to the internet. Most smartphones these days can do this, if you just take the time to RTFM that comes with the phones. The connection you get is based upon your phone's connection NOT the phone's capability. For example, I still use China Mobile's GSM/EDGE on my phone even though it is 3G capable. I do this because I want to keep the same phone number I've had for 10 years. Moving my phone to China Unicom and 3G would require a new phone number, something I've chosen not to do. So if I need an internet connection and none is available, I can simply connect my phone to the laptop and connect through my phone number. I get EDGE speed back like 5 or 6 years ago (told you I'd get to it) so it's no match for 3G, but for basic web surfing, even with graphics it's acceptable and email is a cinch. Obviously, I should know about cost on this, because it comes in every month on my phone bill, but here's the thing - and I have no idea how this happened which is why I want to keep my current number and service - about 4 years ago I started noticing something on my bill. Every month, my internet usage was capped at 200 RMB no matter how much I used. If I used less, it was charged at that, but if it went over 200RMB, they capped it at 200RMB. As an example, from last month's bill, my internet usage through the phone (both directly and usually connected as a modem to my laptop) was about 670RMB, but they backed out 470RMB of that. Again, I have no idea how this started or why-it's nothing I did, but it's been that way. The only thing I can think of is that around the same time, I kept getting messages in Chinese that said I should come in and get a new VIP SIM card. I use the Go Tone service of China Mobile, by the way. I went in and got this new SIM card in my phone. So maybe this is just a VIP service. I don't know. But in the last 4 years, I've never paid more than 200RMB/month for internet, albeit at EDGE speeds.

Anyway, there's another option if you just want to use 3G/EDGE as a backup system-just learn how to use your phone as a modem (it's in the manual) but check with your phone company as to how internet service gets charged. It'll save you the cost of the USB dongle (which they do charge for as part of your package).

5. The last thing about 3G service I should mention is that on the latest G and D trains, the China Unicom WCDMA 3G service disintegrates once the train reaches about 200 KPH so you'll lose your connection on trains if your using it. (Phone service sometimes goes out too at higher speeds I've noticed too from the amount of "Wei? Wei?" I hear on when the train is up to speed.


6. Free Internet is widespread in China. Every bar and cafe has it. Even the lowest quality hotels offer at least a broadband connection in every room. The only exceptions, surprisingly or not, are the western-owned 5 star hotels (Intercontinental, JW Marriott, etc>) which still think they're back home and charge 50+ RMB for 30 minutes of surf time both in the rooms and in the restaurants, cafes and bars within. If you need a quick internet connection, just find a local cafe, pop in and buy a cuppa. Even the Starbukc in China offer free internet, unlike back home. So it really is pretty easy to find a connection.

7. Lastly, at last, in many cities, I've found both China Mobile and China Telecom showing up on my laptop's WiFi when I turn it on. When you try to connect, it sends your browser to the provider's webpage and offers you the option of connecting to their system directly. No modem, no USB necessary. In other words, the providers themselves are providing a blanket WiFi connection throughout the city. The webpages are in Chinese, but I muddled through it once to see how it worked and you type in your phone number and tell it how many minutes you'd like to use it. It then charges your phone account for that amount (and I don't recall the rates). It sends an SMS to your phone with a code. You type in the code on your browser and you're connected for those minutes. You can log off and log back in later using that code and when you run out of minutes, the code stops working. Simple as that. No hardware needed.

Anyway, if you're planning on using 3G as your main internet connection, it's going to be costly. But it's nice to have as a backup. Still, you can use the provider's own WiFi (as described in (7) if you can maneuver through their website. And if you take the time to read your phone's manual and go through the one time process of setting up your phone to use as a modem with your laptop, that's the simplest solution-but check the charging rates with your provider first.




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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 02:20:26 PM »

A couple of additional points that occurred to me (as I walked back from the tiny cafe-with WiFI where I wrote that-see section 6 above), especially in regard to section 4. And you may already know this if you HAVE been for awhile (e.g. Stil ) but if you don't......

As I mentioned in section 4 above, I somehow and without doing anything, got upgraded to a China Mobile Go-Tone VIP at some point in the 10 years I've had the number. No one told me (well, maybe they did in a Chinese SMS, but I kan-bu-dong'd it and just deleted it as simply more SMS spam).

When I finally started getting repeated messages about changing to a new VIP SIM card, I finally asked a friend in the business what was going on. It was at that time that I also asked him about these strange phone bills where it would say, for example, that the monthly bill was 643 RMB but they had only charged me 443RMB.

First, he told me, you are a VIP and they want to give you a new special SIM card "which has some benefits", and

Second, he wanted to see my phone bills so he could figure out what was going on. I was able to provide him those (see next paragraph)  and he figured out, then confirmed with a phone call to China Mobile-that my monthly internet usage charges were capped at 200RMB no matter how much I ate used. Of course, being Chinese, he simply asked them what. And they told him. He never asked why or how. In China, what is good enough for most.

When I first got the current number I have 10 years ago at the local China Mobile service center, with the help of the then girlfriend, they asked me if I wanted printed phone bills mailed to me and I said yes. Except for a period of about 9 months when I forgot to update my new address with China Mobile after moving house (I've always wanted to use that quaint BE expression....and now I have) I have almost 10 years of phone bills. Actually, they're not "phone bills" in the usual western sense, because the system here is tied to your account and when it runs out of money, you schlep down to the nearest local shop and add money to your account. The monthly "phone bill" arrives about 4-10 days into the new month and merely summarizes what happened in your account. Choose the mailed phone bills option.

AND HERE'S THE ADVICE:

Having the monthly summaries in hand, I noticed there was a section (in Chinese) about "points earned." Every month, China Mobile gives you points, similar to frequent flyer/shopper points. The point system is pretty straight forward, one point per RMB of the final bill, rounded down of course. TIC after all. So if your monthly charges were 245.36, you just earned 245 China Mobile points. On the monthly mailed paper bill/summary, it's stated. Which is one reason why you should sign up for/ask for a monthly statement to be mailed to you each month when you set up your service.

I was blissfully (to China Mobile's eye) unaware of this until my friend pointed it out while trying to figure out the 200 RMB conundrum.  The points are there. It's just that Laowai don't know/aren't told that. He seems to think that I achieved this VIP status through accumulating X number of points but may well, otherwise, have been from simple longevity-having the same number for X years.

But here's the cool part-and if you've been here for awhile, had the same number, and simply run with it......

1. You've probably accumulated a LOT of points.
2. You may even be a VIP without knowing it.
3. Points can be cashed in (through your local China Mobile website-Chinese required) for various tacky gifts, OR
4. Can be converted through the same website at 30pts-I RMB (last time I looked which was awhile ago) to be applied towards your phone account. For example, you can convert 3000 RMB to 100RMB on your phone account. Saves a trip to the local shop when your balance is running low.
5. If you're a VIP (and if you've been here in China for more than 3 or 4 years with the same phone number, you may well, be)....get the special VIP SIM card they give you for free. There are a lot of bullshit things they'll offer you (like discounts to this or that), but it's a lock that you can use the China Mobile VIP lounge at all the train stations and domestic airports simply by walking in and showing them the SIM app which comes on the card, or if you can't figure out where that is on your phone, just tell them your phone number and it'll pop up VIP on their computer screen. Welcome to free water, coffee and tea in a seating room with 5 or 6 others, rather than the scrum down the hall in Waiting Room #5.

So if you've been here for awhile, had the same number, and don't already know this, it's definitely worth checking out.

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 09:26:38 PM »

Many thanks Old 36. An excellent level of detail given to help me make a choice. I was thinking of putting the original post on this sub-board, but figured it might not reach a wide enough audience to get responses. And as American Football can get a thread on the main board, then why not this one?
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 11:05:11 AM »

Well, that's because there isn't actually a board devoted just to American Football. If there was, it would have been moved to this board too. If a question about a contract was posted on a contract board it would be moved there and visa questions are routinely moved to the visa board. Same thing.

We appreciate people wanting their questions to reach the most people possible, but keeping posts in their proper place really does make it easier for people seeking info to get that info.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 10:57:35 PM »

Well, that's because there isn't actually a board devoted just to American Football. If there was, it would have been moved to this board too.
Champagne Cabana seems to fit the bill. Non-China related topics would best go there, IMHO.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 07:40:32 AM »

To update this China Telecom does a range of deals for mobile broadband. You need to pay upfront for the thumb drive, around Y300 a bit pricey, [that was for a Mac, a non Mac drive was cheaper], but then we got a 120 Y for 60 hours package. We can connect to Youtube etc [ incl. FB] through a proxy site, albeit needing to choose Lo quality or wait a long time to load. Everything works, if slowly. But that shouldn't surprise old China hands. You might need a local to sign up for the deal, as it requires a local ID card.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 02:57:09 PM »

Is this what we in the U.S. call a "data plan"? In the U.S., most carriers will not allow you to use a smartphone on their network, AT ALL, without paying for a data plan.
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