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Author Topic: North America ESL School in Chengdu  (Read 3550 times)

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North America ESL School in Chengdu
« on: July 10, 2007, 12:47:15 PM »
Hello all,

Does anybody have any experience or has anyone heard anything about North America ESL School in Chengdu?

Judging by their website, they seem quite legitimate. http://www.naesl.com/EN/index.asp

Also (and perhaps this belongs in another thread), does anyone have any advice on the cost of living in Chengdu? The school is currently offering 4000 rmb/month with a 700 rmb/month housing stipend. Judging by what folks on this board have advised, that's coming in rather low. (for 21-23 40 minute periods/week)

Thanks guys!


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Re: North America ESL School in Chengdu
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 01:04:29 PM »
Yes, I would say that is low for that many hours.  What do they mean by a housing stipend??

If they don't furnish you with an apartment at that salary I would suggest it is a no-go. 

I worked last year for 4500 + 500 for meals. (ie 5000) (24 teaching hours) They supplied the room and would pay for an apartment up to 1500/month.  Plus full airfare, plus travel allowance during holidays plus salary during holidays. 
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Re: North America ESL School in Chengdu
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 05:40:55 PM »
I went in and had a look. I also did a search on the school name.

I didn't find any complaints from teachers about the school.
Bear in mind that I am notoriously (and proudly) paranoid, but my gut reaction is: RUN.
Why?

Well, as others have pointed out, that package is lousy.
Chengdu is not a rich area, for the most part, but 700 is not a very generous housing stipend. At that salary, they need to be providing you AN APARTMENT, not a stipend. This system leaves you to raise the deposits, the realtor's fees, and multiple months of rent, as well as to hondle with the landlords and so on. This is not going to be easy (if possible at all) on a salary of 4K. For more info, see the Housing thread in the Library. As some people point out, 4000 per month might be liveable...but this assumes full provided housing. NOT a stipend.

This place is taking in over 8,800 RMB per month PER STUDENT for its basic English program. They can afford an apartment for you.

Also. This place seems to be hinting that it can place people abroad as interns...something relatively few places can really make happen, especially in North America. A lot of schools approach the business this way...the hidden message is "You can buy your way to a foreign country here!" Such places have a really dismal track record of teacher (and customer) satisfaction. I know I'm tarring with a broad brush again here, but...I think the odds are good that I'm right.

They still really cling to their former affiliation to a well-respected American college, even though it's all now very clearly stated in the past tense. That past tense bothers me.

Their official website is largely empty. Something has really changed recently. Watch the site. If it fills in at all visibly, it may be as simple as a new website migration...

A lot of bad vibes from a lot of little things. But it's just a gut reaction to the website and its contents, plus the deal specifics you list.

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Re: North America ESL School in Chengdu
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 03:19:41 AM »
Thanks for your input guys! I really appreciate some seasoned eyes assessing the deal being laid out.

You are right: comparatively, they seem to be offering a pretty short deal, particularly given the amount they charge students. In case you are wondering, this is the original post: http://www.esljobsworld.com/esl-jobs/asia/china/chengdu-teaching-at-the-giant-panda-home-404.html

They also offer 6000 RMB bonus for completing 12 months, but taking into account only 700 RMB/month for housing, it still doesn't balance out.

I'm going to keep it on the backburner and keep looking elsewhere.

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Re: North America ESL School in Chengdu
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 04:51:32 AM »
Good idea. This offer sucks. And the alarm bells continue to sound about the nature of the school. You can do a LOT better than this...
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