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« on: September 20, 2010, 12:06:10 PM »

Hi

We now own a dog... a beaut he is (and not one of those tiny, apartment canines either).

But I want to know from folks, if anyone else owns a dog out there, did you inoculate it and how many injections did it get? You see, we have been told either three or four depending on the Chinese or foreign brand we opt for. Some places offer more! Phoneys?!?

We went for three - apparently French and 'trusted' brands.

Thoughts please!
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 05:45:33 AM »

I only wish I had a photo.  I saw an Akita being walked a couple of months ago.  The poor thing had a French poodle haircut.  Perhaps a side-effect of using French dog vaccines??? th_m
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 01:05:52 PM »

Dex, this may prove more challenging than you expect it to be... th_bi

First, general info on puppy and dog vaccinations is easy to search up...jusgooglit. th_bj
The best site I found so far is DogEducation, at www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1648&aid=950 This page takes you to the basic schedule/list of core and optional shots for adult dogs. Follow the "Vaccines and Vaccinations" menu entry to get excellent detailed info for both dogs and puppies. th_bf

Of course, this stuff is for a Western audience...people from an advanced, clean, and decent country (i.e. the USA th_u ). I think it's pretty safe to assume that the overwhelming majority of canine conditions seen in the West will also be seen in China, so this info will apply there. Of course, unless you can find a good Dictionary of Veterinary Medicine ( th_bi ), it's going to be hard to discuss these issues...but if you can find a good Vet, he'll likely already know what to do.

Sadly, this last is the hard part.
The Chinese don't seem to have a long or large history of keeping pets, except for more passive and delicious creatures such as some birds and fish. Dogs in particular are booming now, but haven't been seen much until pretty recently. I have Chinese friends on both sides of the Pacific who get nervous around dogs, including a few who become paralysed with terror. All this would suggest that much of the "dog infrastructure"- sellers, supplies, vet care, etc. can be pretty undeveloped and rudimentary, and finding that "good vet" may be quite a feat. I got the impression that dogs were raised by dealers in rather squalid conditions and were likely to already be ill. You can easily find the upper-end big-brand lines of dog food and so forth (such as Iams and some Japanese and European brands) but have a harder time finding more basic and affordable products.

The Chinese seem still largely pretty clueless on handling and living with dogs...cruel treatment, abandonment (or eating th_ao ) of no-longer-wanted dogs, letting dogs run amok in public places, and so on are conspicuously common.

Also, China isn't well set up for dogs. 99.9999999999999999% of residents live in relatively small spaces, and have no yard or other empty open space where a dog can be released to chase squirrels and bark at the neighbors. th_al  This places greatly increased responsibility upon you, the ethical dog owner. (At least you'd better  be an ethical dog owner, or we'll come croak you... th_u ) The need to take your dog out for exercise and toilette requisites will be much greater and more important.

Furthermore, pet animals in China can face health hazards that we are not familiar with. For example, in many parts of China there is a much higher presence of soil- or water-borne parasites. In some places there is lots of inexplicably filthy (even by garbage standards) garbage on the streets, which any dog in the world will naturally race to in order to sniff and eat. th_bi

These days it's pretty trendy to be seen out walking a dog, especially an expensive pedigreed model. But I think the trend may well fade away...dogs can be a real pain in the ass in China. Much though I despise cats and adore dogs, I gotta concede that if you really want a pet in China, a cat makes a lot more sense under the conditions. th_bi

As expats, we face another challenge that the homeys don't have...if you ever return home, getting your beloved pet back into your own country can be difficult, lengthy, and expensive. Many countries require that incoming pets spend weeks or even months in quarantine before the Health, Agriculture, and Customs people will give the go-ahead and restore your pet to you. Conditions in these quarantine facilities can be pretty, well, uh....squalid, and traumatic for the animals. Not to mention for YOU. th_an

Adopting a pet is never something that should be entered into on impulse, and this seems about a hundred times more true in China. I LOVE dogs and (usually) love keeping them, but fear it will be a much bigger job than you'll know. th_k lickass
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 01:18:36 PM »

I miss my dog and cats th_an th_an th_an th_an

I tried petting a couple of dogs yesterday (yeah yeah, I know the warnings about touching dogs in China, but I'm a dog person - bite me).  One was too frightened to let me close.  Another let me right next to it - and didn't even seem aware of my presence.  That was more disturbing than the ones that are (rightly in most cases) terrified of humans.

I did manage to pet one little kitten a couple of months back.  The poor thing latched on and didn't want to let go.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 01:07:40 PM »

Thanks for that great reply Raoul mate!

Of ocurse, yeah, I am an ethical owner and although our campus accomm ain't exactly spacious we do and can take him for a walk around campus and there isn't a problem with the authorities to do that. So all good. Sadly, there seems to be a great trend kicking in (throughout China?) in which students get a pet (usually pup) and after the initial interest, after the shitting and rapid growth and expense begins, they are discarded. me and my gf even thought about setting up a sanctuary of sorts for abandoned dogs. But hey, the money, the restaurants which might pressure us, the cost in medicating malnurished dogs... scary - deff no local or government support on offer. All very sad. Makes me livid! Earlier this year we found a beautiful Samoyad (Japanese kind, bright fluffy fur, striking blue eyes) crawling in agony nearby. We took it in, bathed it, and it wouldn;t stop screaming. All night it yelped with occasional rest moments. After some days (fearing the neighbours' complaints to my FAO) we set up a kind of shed for it at a nearby farmers places (a nice pack of fags kept him sweet). Although the farmer and his diranged wife had no concept of why we'd want to even attempt to save this dog, we promised to help try get it back to full strength with daily visit, food, water, etc. Alas, in China never a happy ending for dogs, it had vanished. We searched (in pouring rain) but to no avail. God knows what happened to it. I daren't think about it. Sad!

But yes, Raoul is spot on in that dogs are a new thing and this could backfire drastically when the country becomes overrun with canines. I would consider sending my dog back to the UK should I move; my friend did it last year (never use Lufthansa).

Anyway, back to the topic: we have found a good (well, central, clean and they all wear a uniform -  th_bi) vetinarian and so far the jabs are going to plan.

Fingers crossed. Thanks fellas.
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 12:35:45 AM »

Keep a close eye on your dog Dex. Dog theft is another big new thing here, since "good" breeds can sell for heaps of money. Some friends of mine paid over 10k RMB for a purebred Husky which was almost stolen twice. Another friend had his Golden Retriever puppy stolen. Don't leave your dog unattended, tied to a post or something like that. The disappearing Samoyed (those are awesome dogs, by the way) probably was sold. Probably the most expensive dogs are T'betan Mastiff's ... if you can get your hands on a purebred those animals are worth their weight in gold just about. I watched a documentary awhile back actually about this T'betan guy who lost his job and decided to go searching through the province trying to find a pure T'betan Mastiff to bring back to the big city and sell for big profits. He ended up buying a litter but they weren't as pure as he thought and so he didn't make a lot of money.

We've also noticed the college student with dog trend and it usually ends badly. Parvo is really common in China and lots of young Chinese friends of mine have bought puppies from bad dealers and ended up with dead dogs within a few months of buying their new pet. Veterinarians in China are not always the most ethical of people and have been known to string hopeful dog owners along with expensive treatments for hopeless cases. A Chinese friend of mine payed several thousand RMB in treatments for a case of Parvo which apparently was a total waste of money -- the dog died, as Parvo is usually fatal, but the treatments simply prolonged the dog's suffering, according to my friend.

Here in Beijing people love their dogs, usually the small yippy ones. I think big dogs are becoming more trendy but most people here do not have the space to properly care for bigger dogs and many don't even realize that a big dog has different needs from a small dog.

Anyhow, dog ownership in China ... my cat gives me enough trouble so no dogs for us, despite having grown up with beloved family dogs back home.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 01:02:44 AM »

Also, some people may steal your dog in order to eat it. That sounds like a joke, but it's not. There are still plenty of poor people who will see it as free meat. My wife's family had some dogs that disappeared and they firmly believe they were stolen for culinary purposes. I think some dog thiefs slit the Achilles tendon with a razor so the poor creature can't run off.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 01:32:08 AM »

Yep. It's starting to get cool out and winter is dog meat time. Around here many people lose their dogs at new years. They're easy to grab and head to your home town with a special meal for your family and it doesn't feel the same as pick-pocketing or stealing a computer for some reason.

Dog is delicious and throughout winter I eat it about once a week, but don't worry Dex, I won't steal your dog.  th_u
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