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Re: The future
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2008, 01:45:44 AM »
i agree with you lotus eater that the world is indeed rich in creativity, thats what differentiates us from the animals. And yes there is plenty of work to be done not only in china but in the world to bring basic living standards to an equal status for all. the sad thing is that most people dont have access to a basic living standard, but once people do have their basic needs satisfied ie accomodation, food, education, and care for elderly then we will have more time on our hands that can be dedicated to the higher things in life. Creativity isnt solely the domain of art but in the betterment of everything be it business, or the environment.
Surely the purpose of life is to be of useful service to others.
Yes, i also think in the next few decades China will move to the standards of western family values, which in some ways is a sad thing. but there is a difference with the chinese people in that they do have a personal dignity which i believe will shine through in their move to embrace world culture - perhaps thats just wishful thinking but i do see a difference compared to people in eastern europe where in the late 80's i was hopeful of a more advanced and fairer system being developed after the political system there failed to satisfy. There was tremendous hope and expectation but when you travel through those countries today the poverty and apathy is rife. The spirit of the people had been seriously squashed by years of oppression.  I naively thought they would choose the best of both worlds to administer their affairs, examples of gross capitalism show that it is not the complete solution but this has not been the case as is evident today. And authoritarian regimes arent the complete answer either. The gap between wealth and poverty is increasing and not much has been done to stop this. 
The recent financial blows in the western world shows how fragile the economy is. The global systems have not been  built on truly ethical structures and as the world matures and peoples thinking becomes more global then we need systems that will cater for this new world attitude, the current systems wont satisfy that need. So either it will collapse and a new system be developed or we will have the awareness to change it.  It seems to me there is a twofold process going on, a collapsing of an existing system and an unfolding of a new system. there are plenty of people working for new values to be in place in all strata of society, these are worthy things, this is the new world order. And the other stuff can be seen tottering as it doesnt fulfil the needs of mankind today. 
Having said all that, its not going to happen overnight and there are going to be casualties en route. But 'the future' is ultimately going to be greater than we can imagine. it always is!  remember the 1950 movies of 'the future' what they thought it would be like. Huge heavy cars with a massive aerial on the roof that was meant to be futuristic with communications from a brick that you had strapped to your hip. the reality is we have tiny electronic devices that we dont notice in our pockets. Its always better in real life than we think its going to be.

I digress.
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Re: The future
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2008, 02:08:14 AM »
The future will always amaze us, because it will twist and turn in ways we haven't thought of.

But creativity exists without the conditions you specify for its genesis.  It always has.  people have created music, art, dance, drama, new ways of doing things, new uses for old things, new businesses, etc without those conditions in place.  Each village I have been to in China has musicians, story tellers, creative processes in both the arts and daily life.  Many of these villages still don't have reliable electricity, running water, affordable medical care, schooling. 

What they may not have had is widespread coverage of their creations.  I think what we look at now as creativity and call different is the ability to broadcast these creative endeavours and recognise them more widely. Music now written in Australia can be heard in the UK, businesses originating in the US spread across the world.  I'm not sure that this makes us any more creative in total, but certainly more creations are known.



I know nothing about the people in Eastern Europe, so have no basis for comparison there, but if we are discussing poverty in general, I do not think that the Chinese people have any more personal dignity than any other nationality.  There are those who will carry themselves with dignity and those who will be bottom feeders in any society.

Since March this year, Chinese authorities have become MORE authoritarian, more repressive. And given the control of the media they have been able to do the same as the US media - maintain/heighten a state of fear in the majority of the people.  Therefore the majority of people in China have little compunction in permitting the gov't to do this.  There are few Han people protesting the crack-down on T'an or those other scary people to the north west.

This week my Oral English classes are discussing "It is more important to be a) a world citizen or b) a Chinese citizen first."  It will be really interesting to see what they come up with.  I have some minority students in the classes so ...
 

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Re: The future
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2008, 02:32:27 AM »
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compunction
Methinks that's the wrong word!
"any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action."
I would have thought there might be a lot of unease.
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Re: The future
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2008, 02:45:32 AM »
I think if you ask the general populace if they think that 'the police action' and the security enhancements were necessary or warranted - they would agree that the gov't did the right thing.  So I think 'little compunction' still stands.

A few don't agree, but we are talking majority - the ones who don't research, read and in general aren't interested.

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Re: The future
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2008, 05:25:36 AM »
I'm of the opinion that the future is not as good as it used to be. alalalalal
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Re: The future
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2008, 06:09:00 AM »
This week my Oral English classes are discussing "It is more important to be a) a world citizen or b) a Chinese citizen first."  It will be really interesting to see what they come up with.  I have some minority students in the classes so ...


a difficult question to pose for the younguns.

i think we should be proud of our cultures but also embrace being part of the bigger picture. it will be interesting to read from you  what they think.
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Re: The future
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2008, 04:14:34 PM »
I'm of the opinion that the future is not as good as it used to be. alalalalal

That's nostalgia.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

The future is like, the future. Nobody (sic) knows what will be. Will be. Kay Sera said that.
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Re: The future
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2008, 12:57:05 AM »
Nobody is nostalgic  bkbkbkbkbk
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Re: The future
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 03:37:20 PM »
I guess we should also remember that when we talk about what the Chinese people are like or what they think, we only have seen a tiny fraction of the population.  Who knows what the majority opinion is or what they base it on?

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Re: The future
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 03:50:30 PM »
My students, in their analysis of their culture, see that the ability to move between classes is money based.  Some of this is achievable by power (gov't jobs), some through education, but the acquisition of money is the main method of class mobility.  They also decry it, talking about spiritual values, but all admit the reality of the situation, and all aspire to be part of it.

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Re: The future
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 03:54:18 PM »
I am like a guy who orders a hamburger. All I want is the same as I can get back home.

One with everything.

Search for that on the net and see what happens.
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