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Re: A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall... (THE VISA NIGHTMARE!)
« Reply #345 on: September 07, 2008, 01:18:43 AM »
Maybe more restrictions coming? This article says China is going to start requiring a certificate from your home country that you do not have a criminal record:

http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2008/08/28/criminal-record-certificates-to-be-required-for-china-work-visas.html
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« Reply #346 on: September 07, 2008, 01:44:18 AM »
I don't even know how to go about getting such a certificate.  A link within the linked article leads one to an article about how China is applying its own way of doing business to the rest of the world, ie the local police here DO keep the records, based on the hukou system.  Of course, local police stations back home don't do this.  Most countries have a national system.  Further links lead to quotes from PTB in various countries.  Link to FBI says it takes 4 1/2 months to get such a document. 

The need for this certificate is worth monitoring here.  Be interesting to know what folks up for visa renewal are being asked to provide and how they are obtaining these certificates, if necessary.
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Re: A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall... (THE VISA NIGHTMARE!)
« Reply #347 on: September 07, 2008, 01:54:39 AM »
I know we need a certificate from the local police in Ontario (Canada), if we want to do any volunteer work.  It only takes a day or two to get. 

We had a thread about something like this awhile ago.  You can't teach etc in Canada and I think Australia and NZ without a police check.
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« Reply #348 on: September 07, 2008, 02:31:26 AM »
The need for this certificate is worth monitoring here.

Yes. If it becomes a common requirement, then presumably the embassies & consulates will set up something to provide them as they do with the certification of single status you need if you want to marry here.

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Be interesting to know what folks up for visa renewal are being asked to provide and how they are obtaining these certificates, if necessary.

I got a new residence permit this week, in Fujian, and was not asked for a police certificate. Nor, to my surprise, did they require a health exam, two year old certificate was good enough.
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Re: A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall... (THE VISA NIGHTMARE!)
« Reply #349 on: September 07, 2008, 02:33:14 AM »
I know we need a certificate from the local police in Ontario (Canada), if we want to do any volunteer work.  It only takes a day or two to get. 

We had a thread about something like this awhile ago.  You can't teach etc in Canada and I think Australia and NZ without a police check.

yeah, add the uk and most european countries to that list too. A full disclosure form is required, which includes all prosocutions, warnings, and suspected activities. It is of course up to the discretion of the employer whether they take you on but the law does limit them on sensible stuff, like working with kids if you  have a sex offence.
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Re: A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall... (THE VISA NIGHTMARE!)
« Reply #350 on: September 07, 2008, 02:35:50 AM »
Doesn't take so long in Oz to do a police check.  Normal procedure if you are going to work on most Gov't departments (which include the majority of schools).  If you are working anywhere with children you must have the 'blue card' that says you have no history of sex offences.


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« Reply #351 on: September 07, 2008, 03:18:26 AM »
Any word on how it goes for L or F visas these days? I'm planning on skipping out for 6 months of travel sometime in the spring, and probably leaving my job a month or two before. Be good to know I'll be able to remain mostly legal (that's as good as we can hope for!) while soaking in a few months of pure Chinese and travels.

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« Reply #352 on: September 07, 2008, 05:02:00 AM »
I had to get a police clearance when i was at home. The school translated it and took a copy of the translation and a copy of the original to the PSB.
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« Reply #353 on: September 08, 2008, 03:03:29 AM »
Another post on the TEFLChina jobs mailing list about this is below.

These are (sometimes) very useful lists. They have three -- teaching,
work (terms & conditions, job ads, ...), and life in China. Subcription
info and list archives are at teflchina.org

Post was:

Yes, this is going to be very interesting. Especially if you HAVE ALREADY LEFT YOUR COUNTRY SEVERAL YEARS AGO to work in China, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE T GET IT AL ALL.

Some further links on the topic:

http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2008/08/28/criminal-record-certificates-to-be-required-for-china-work-visas.html

This is the situation over the obtaining
of “Non criminal record certificates” from various other countries.
Clearly, the situation is haphazard and differs considerably from
country to country. Applicants for work visas in China are strongly
advised to check with their Embassy for facilitation of the new Chinese
requests.
US Dept Of State: “U.S. law enforcement authorities may not be
familiar with such a procedure since it is not commonly requested in
the United States”.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/emergencies/emergencies_1201.html

FBI: Takes 18 weeks (four and a half months) to process: http://www.tefllogue.com/finding-a-job/certificate-of-no-criminal-record-for-tefl.html

Hong Kong (downloadable form for residents only): http://www.police.gov.hk/hkp-home/english/forms/cncc/172a.doc

New Zealand Ministry of Justice: “There is no such document” http://www.justice.govt.nz/privacy/

Singapore: Downloadable form to be presented in person (Singapore residents only) http://www.spf.gov.sg/faqs/doc/cnccform.pdf

Australia, New South Wales: 14 days, application in person: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/specialist_operations/forensic_services/related_information/criminal_records_section/related_information/frequently_asked_questions/national_criminal_history_record_check#6

UK Home Office: Documentation only available for criminal conviction records, not for no criminal records.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/2004-cons-crb-regulations/draft-statutory-instrument-2.pdf?view=Binary

UK advice on other European applicants: http://www.deni.gov.uk/circular_2006-06_appendix_a__checks_on_applicants_from_abroad.pdf

Note: UK Police cannot make checks on criminal records of UK nationals who have commited offenses overseas.

France: Applicants must apply in person to the Casier Judiciaire National, in Nantes. Documentation available in two weeks.

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=2325

EU Pilot Scheme (Austria) http://www.epractice.eu/cases/2081

Hungary (3 months)

http://www.magyarorszag.hu/english/keyevents/a_alpolg/a_okmany20050822/a_azon20050822/a_erkolcsibiz20061215.html

Taiwan (3 days)

http://www.ptpolice.gov.tw/English/CmsShow.aspx?Parm=2006121512553437,,1
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« Reply #354 on: September 08, 2008, 02:00:01 PM »
I can confirm that the French one takes about two weeks. It's free and it's sent out to anywhere in the world. I did it myself.

The Singaporean one costs 225 RMB. They doit on the spotif you go to the Police HQ. They take your fingerprints and a picture of you.

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« Reply #355 on: September 09, 2008, 11:09:59 AM »
Criminal background checks for foreign teachers?  What the hell took them so long?  bibibibibi  I always wanted to get one on myself and include it with my resume... but I thought it would look suspicious if I was the only one doing it.  I wonder how to go about this; I'll ask my stepbrother.

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« Reply #356 on: September 09, 2008, 01:27:11 PM »
Con, I think you just have to go to the police and ask for a copy of your record. They'll give you a piece of paper with your name and such and, have you never decided to go against the law of the sovereign, it'll just be blank. That's at least how it worked for me.
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« Reply #357 on: September 10, 2008, 03:40:41 AM »
I would think whatever would show up on a job-type police record check back home, would show up on what they got here.
I'd think ANY kind of arrest that showed on the check at home would probably make it much more difficult to get a job here; this is conjecture on my part.

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« Reply #358 on: September 12, 2008, 04:28:13 AM »
Youz know how far back they want & what type/level of crime is acceptable?
Only convictions? petty crimes committed against humanity when one was 18, 20-40 years ago?
 



any and all will show up on it. Smoking a spliff in uni campus and getting busted to relieving yourself in a side alley on the way home to driving convictions and speeding tickets.
The trouble is that an education establishment will just see an entry on the form and therefore throw you out if they have a choice.
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« Reply #359 on: September 12, 2008, 12:52:21 PM »
The FBI record takes eight weeks, at the most. I did it last year.
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