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Author Topic: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????  (Read 10554 times)

woza

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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2007, 01:41:06 PM »
I was just re-reading this thread.  Some great thoughts from people succint arguments.
Early this week on BBC news TV they reported a story in Australia about this 10 year old native girl who had been gang raped by ten native men.  These guys got off scott free.
The same girl was gang raped by native men at the age of seven and taken out of the native community and put into foster care with a white family.  She was taken out of the foster care and put back into the native comunity because it seemed too much like the paternal white thing.  How fucked is that ?
Native women leaders thought so too and protested against the decision made by the white female judge.
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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2007, 01:50:19 PM »
Interestengly enough, it has been argued (not by me) by some economists that smokers actually sav the government money by dying younger so the gov does not have to pay out the retirement benifits thus keeping the countries old age security viable longer. So the increased expenditures in Health are offset by the savings in pensions. I wish I could remember who it was that wrote those papers. I could use that argument myself whenever someone digs at me when I light up.

Saw a complete refutation of this. It's a straw man. It's on a skeptic website, but have to be a member.

I can't recall the whole thing, but something like that they use up the extra saved off aged pensions by extra medical and hospital care on medical pensions. They retire earlier from ill health, and thus, contribute less, leaving more widows and kids on social security. Something like that. Anyway, it's spurious.
Just another roadkill on the information superhighway.

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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2007, 02:24:59 PM »
My ex- husband would quote stats at me, he actually made them up.  In those days I thought you can't argue with stats.  I have started doing that myself make up bullshit stats for something really silly, a party thing
I am still hoping that science will allow me to grow another set of lungs. Just not the smoking thing, but the polluted atmosphere.  A bit like having a breast implant or putting a ship in a bottle type of thing.  Tubes to be attached mainsails to be hoisted.

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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2007, 03:46:52 PM »
On the topic of DisHonesty.......There are Lies. bbbbbbbbbb  There are Damned Lies qqqqqqqqqq....and there are Statistics!!!! asasasasas asasasasas llllllllll llllllllll
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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2007, 02:30:04 PM »
Wonder why the Tobacco lawyers didn't go after the ones who really profited from nicitine addiction, disease and death - the tax collecting government.

Between tobacco and alcohol, the govt. is the biggest death merchant of all time.

They profit every which way but loose, on production, on sale and on enforcement. Sweet deal.

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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2007, 03:16:50 PM »
Wonder why the Tobacco lawyers didn't go after ........ the tax collecting government.


Because there is some strange, legal protection involved.  You may NOT sue "the Govmint" for damages.  llllllllll Big Business, Yes.  bfbfbfbfbf Your neighbour, Yes.  bfbfbfbfbf But your Government, No. asasasasas




p.s. Nice first Posting, Authur!! agagagagag
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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2007, 05:37:11 AM »
Nicotine will always be with us, until they invent something that does the same thing without harm.  Ditto for alcohol and most drugs.  Why?  We like doing them. They temporarily change us into slightly different versions of ourselves.  We drink to be rowdy and silly; we light a smoke to relax; we smoke a jay to get mellow and contemplative; we take E to get loving and happy.

These things make our lives better, and for all the health problems and bad behaviour they inspire, our collective acts demonstrate that's it's worth it.

Death merchants?  One could extend that logic to condemn Cadbury and Hershey.  Life merchants, I say.
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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2007, 10:54:42 PM »
.....    We drink to be rowdy and silly; we light a smoke to relax; we smoke a jay to get mellow and contemplative; we take E to get loving and happy.

These things make our lives better, and for all the health problems and bad behaviour they inspire, our collective acts demonstrate that's it's worth it.

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"Better living through chemistry," eh?

The phrase "Better Living Through Chemistry" is a variant of a DuPont advertising slogan, "Better Things for Better Living...Through Chemistry." DuPont adopted it in 1935 and was their slogan until 1982 when the "Through Chemistry" bit was dropped; in 1999 it was replaced by "The miracles of science".

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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2007, 02:01:13 PM »

"Better living through chemistry," eh?


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Re: Is it taking away our civil liberty or not????
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2007, 02:28:25 PM »
I can read it perfectly fine :P
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