Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!

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Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!
« on: September 07, 2007, 11:33:34 PM »

Hola!

I am going to work for a University this fall and classes start on Tuesday. I am a little excited, but this excitement is tempered by the process of getting another visa.

My previous position was working for a well known branded kindergarten based in Taiwan, bt with branches in Mainland China. I worked at one of their branches in Hangzhou. The owner is a Taiwanese fellow named "Billy". (Names changed to protect the innocent and the accused)

At the time, I left another teaching position after a bad falling out, and Billy hired me with several months to go on my previous visa/residence permit. My visa expired in January, so around December I asked the boss that I needed another working permit, just to find out that he does "not have the right" to hire foreign teachers, more or less he doesn't want to pay for the license, but the main branch office in Shanghai could help me. Billy layed on this jive that he was Taiwanese, so it was difficult for him to get the license to hire foreigners (which makes no sense to me because he has a license to run a school) But he said that I can go to Shanghai to deal with this.

So after two trips to Shanghai, a medical exam, and going to the police station to set up my "temporary residence permit" residence in Shanghai, I went to the police station in Pudong, and about 10 days later, I get a new Residence Permit/Z visa from Shanghai. The new permit is valid until Dec.31. The school in Shanghai is actually much larger that the one in Hangzhou with about 10 foreign teachers, so I relaxed in the knowledge that this organization has taken care of me and I would eventually have to go back to them to get a relaease letter.

The school had another foreign teacher on staff, an Estonian man with a Chinese wife and baby. He was there when I was there and has been employed there for about 2 years. A friend of mine had the job before me, but she was on an F business visa. Before her was some Australian girl who worked there for 1 or 2 years. Only saw her once and never talked to her about the job. My friend with the F visa (given to her by a friend who runs an Italian company) went home. So the boss has never had to deal with this issue until me.

The Estonian was here on a Chinese marriage visa and not a work visa. One day the police did come and asked for our passports, mine was fine (although it's a Shanghai stamp and I am not in Shanghai) but the Estonian got carted off to the the police station and Billy had to pay a fine for hiring an illegal worker. ahahahahah. The Estonian stayed at the school, but Billy reqired him to go to Shanghai for his work visa. (You got caught doing something illegal, so you do something else illegal to cover your earlier illegal action)

Worked for Billy and his kindergarten until August, when I told him that I accepted a new position at a University and myself needing a Letter of Release from his company. Billy at first tells me that he cannot do this, then blah blah blah, maybe he can, then OK, we will give you the letter here to give as a document for the police. Then the office gave me a letter in Chinese, chopped with a stamp from their office in Hangzhou. I knew that this was not going to work, Because my visa came from Shanghai, not through his local company. I knew it was not going to work but they said it would, and I was crossing my fingers that the bureaucrat looking at my paperwork just would let it by. Nope. I need to get a letter from the company that issued the visa directly.

Got a call today from my FAO girl telling me that I need another letter and this one was no good because Billy's company could not legally hire foreign teachers (or "have the right"). So, I went back down to the school and told them that this letter was no good and I need the letter from the head office in Shanghai. He started in with this Chinese double talk of this letter is from Shanghai, it should be a good letter blah blah blah. I told him that the office in Shanghai must not how to give these letters, because their school is much bigger and established with a lot of foreign teachers. More blah blah from him (he does not speak English well, but gets better when the heat is on) More with the blah, blah, blah. I got mad. I told my boss this, I want a letter by Monday that is legal. If I do not receive this, I will go to the PSB, speak with a police officer that we (I and wife) know and settle this. So his people get on the phone to Shanghai and came back and told me that they need my documents so they can cancel them. I got irate and demanded my letter. Finally, I and one of the girls from my school went on his company van to my new house a half hour away to get my Employment Permit, so they can do what I asked them kindly to do 2 weeks ago. I am not bluffing or bull-bqbqbqbqbq-ing about going to the police either.

On the way in his van to get a document that the Shanghai office needs, I explained to the girl (who I really like very, very much) that Billy was actually a cool boss in many ways, and he's actually a nice man. BUT, he has to follow the rules like evryone else. I told her I want to drive a car here, but I have to get a license. That's the law. Billy hired people without his license. He broke the law, and knows that he did (to save a buck.) Personally, I hate government bureacracy, and some little twerp kid who my college hired who is a China virgin and doesn't know shit here gets his "Foreign Expert's certificate, while I must run around, making threats to get a paper the twerp doesn't need that I do.

More to be revealed.

Senor


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Re: Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2007, 12:26:59 AM »
Hola Senor!!  Hope all works as you want it to.  Good Luck! agagagagag
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Re: Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 06:55:19 PM »
Good on ya, Senor.  Keep plugging away.  But make sure you hold that carrot out: there will be peace in the valley when he gets you that stamped paper, and his current white monkeys will be greatly reassured to see an FT leave on good terms.

Mentioning that he'd been a good boss in most ways was smart.  Hope you can resist the urge to bitchslap him before this is settled.
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Re: Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 04:59:45 AM »

Hola!

He wasn't a bad boss. If I wanted a day off, I just told the other teacher I was going to take a day and did it. He rarely if ever bothered me and has usually always left me alone.

But he was such a fucking moron concerning me. He even told my FAO girl that he did not have "the right" (I hate this stupid term asasasasas)to hire a teacher, and could not write me a letter. Then he just went ahead and wrote a letter, which was denied by the PSB. Today, I get a letter from Shanghai with two stamps on it, so I hope that it will work. If it doesn't, I am going to the police. I would not do this because I am a dick, I would do this because I want to stay in China and I want and need to be legal here.

So, I go to the school to pick up this piece of paper and say goodbye to my kiddies. I saw the Estonian, and he asked me if I knew anyone who wanted a job. I said I didn't and dont know where he is going to find someone who is willing to work without a correct visa, or ends of the year bonus. I (before getting mad at him) told him that I could work two days a week, but he was not interested, he wanted me back full time or no time.

Goodbye Billy the Taiwanese boss. I hope for both of our sakes that the PSB likes this letter. If they reject it, it's going to be your ass.

Senor

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Re: Getting a release letter for an illegal worker, ME!
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2007, 06:38:50 PM »
An added note:
Never, ever, ever turn your documents over to any school once you have the residence permit in place. The school can simply cancel the docs and leave you in the lurch. However, they must have your documents physically in their possession in order to do this. They may threaten otherwise, but they're bluffing.

A release letter is a piece of paper and a red stamp. It's not required to cancel anything in order to produce a release letter.

Keep your passport, work permit, and other such documents safely in your kung fu grip at al times! You can't refuse to turn them over to the police, but you CAN refuse to give them to a school. And you SHOULD.

Senor, I hope it works out...
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