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The Bar Room => The Legalities Board: Visas, Permits, Taxes, and More! (ON-TOPIC) => Topic started by: xwarrior on June 04, 2013, 09:25:42 PM

Title: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: xwarrior on June 04, 2013, 09:25:42 PM

Trey Archer has a good article on the issues related to breaking a contract:

  http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Breaking-Your-Contract-in-China-New-Consequences-for-Pulling-a-Midnight-Run

One of the new measures (new to me, anyway) introduced this year is an online database listing those who breached their contracts:

http://www.safea.gov.cn/content.shtml?id=12746016

As  the database is maintained by  the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs (the most dysfunctional of state bureaucracies) there is every chance that this will never contain more names than the 9 listed.

Then again, there is a chance that the database will become the weapon of choice when it comes to controlling the comings and goings of foreign teachers.

 gggggggggg

Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: bobrage on June 05, 2013, 02:04:08 AM
Harlequin Takahashi. 

Now that is a name.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Day Dreamer on June 05, 2013, 02:41:57 AM
Trey Archer has a good article on the issues related to breaking a contract:

http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Breaking-Your-Contract-in-China-New-Consequences-for-Pulling-a-Midnight-Run

One of the new measures (new to me, anyway) introduced this year is an online database listing those who breached their contracts:

http://www.safea.gov.cn/content.shtml?id=12746016

As  the database is maintained by  the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs (the most dysfunctional of state bureaucracies) there is every chance that this will never contain more names than the 9 listed.

Then again, there is a chance that the database will become the weapon of choice when it comes to controlling the comings and goings of foreign teachers.

Since many have been blacklisted, I'm surprised this list isn't 9 pages rather than 9 names



Harlequin Takahashi.  

Now that is a name.

What about Slaughter Dexter Carl, Ali Hubdar, Lujan Judith Harbin and Spitler Daniel Bruce. Those are quite the handles


Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Escaped Lunatic on June 05, 2013, 07:57:09 AM
Harlequin Takahashi. 

Now that is a name.

Damn, they finally caught up with me. ananananan
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: xwarrior on June 05, 2013, 08:25:17 AM
Stop Press

It seems that some names have got missed off the official The State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs list. Now, why should that be? How could something like this happen in China? How much would it cost to have a name go missing?

This link throws up some new names:

http://www.foreignhr.com.cn/doc/guojiawaizhuanjufabudeweiguimingdan.pdf

I churned it through MDBG for a translation, so some of the following items will need a correction of detail.

*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

By ForeignHR according to the Government Web sites this document finishing, for your reference.

1. the list according to the State Bureau's Web site informed of breaches compiled the notification sent to all provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities Municipal Bureau of foreign experts Affairs, Bureau of foreign experts Affairs of Xinjiang.
2. foreign employed persons with violations, related employer terminate the employment contract with them, by employing units Foreign experts write off their foreign expert certificate.
3. under informed management of foreign experts in violation of the rules (the Foreign Office [, 2010]102), is now available through external National experts to work in China document management system to achieve a message alert to these illegal expatriate staff and limited approval, And inform the local Bureau of foreign experts Affairs strictly, from the date of notification, three years to ratify these illegal people to foreign countries
Cultural and educational experts working in China.
4. my company Department offers specific background check reports.Illegal foreign staff list (in alphabetical order, update to 2013/02/01) Ordinal name gender nationality passport number of employer violations


1 Ali Hubdar men and KXXX99202 of Xinjiang University of Pakistan malicious breach

2 CAO YE women Australia NXXX9952 Wuxi Centre for a unilateral contract

3 Doyle Dustin Wyatt male United States serious default by the 4XXX0356 school in Karamay

4 DANIEL LEE HOUSE male United States 4XXX20754 University of science and technology's unilateral breach
Male 5 Dirk Holderied Germany CXXXX28F4 Wuxi Institute of a malicious breach

6 GHOGAH HOSIA WIHBONGALE
Men Australia College of UXXX0596 a zhoukou unilateral breach

7 Harlequin Takahashi women United Kingdom 4XXX93142 Nanjing training malicious breach

8 JOSHUA STEPHEN BATES
Male New Zealand EXXX6482 Wuxi malicious breach of a school by ForeignHR according to the Government Web sites this document finishing, for your reference.

9 KRISTIAN MCGUIRE male United States 7XXX15213 a College in Shanghai to break jump

10 KI YAN YOONG man United Kingdom 4XXX19179 Huang Gang ' College's unilateral breach

11 KENNETH JAMES BRYNE MCPHEE
Man United Kingdom Weihai school 7XXX86119 unauthorized departure

12 Kyle Au man United States 7XXX68488 a middle school of Zhengzhou, malicious breach

13 LAURA MEADE woman United Kingdom 1XXX11035 Huang Gang ' College unilateral-default

14 Lujan Judith Harbin women United States 4XXX71453 black training in serious breach of

15 MATTHEW  BENJAMIN WEBB
Man United States 3XXX10855 a Center in Shanghai's unilateral breach

16 ODETTE NGWAFU SUNDAY
Women in Cameroon 8XXX5341 a school in Yancheng forged documents

17 OLIVER ALFRED KEMSLEY
Man United Kingdom 8XXX89435 Huang Gang ' College unauthorized departure

18 OLIVER ROMAN men Australia MXXX3739 Shanghai school's unilateral breach

19 PETER JACK MYERS man
United States
United Kingdom
2XXX21442
7XXX43029
Three Gorges University unilateral breach


20 PAUL TANUE ASONGWE
Male slightly Mai lung 43XXX7637 a school in Yancheng forged documents

21 Slaughter Dexter Carl male United States 4XXX34753 Zhengzhou Institute of unauthorized termination

22 Spitler Daniel Bruce male United States 4XXX73599 a training in Shanxi serious breach


*******
I am not sure if it is worth the effort but someone might like to tidy up the details, especially with regard to the name of the institutions.



 
 
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: bobrage on June 05, 2013, 08:39:39 AM
"Whibongale" is fun to say.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Guangzhou Writer on June 05, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
Personally, I've never trusted anyone named Gareth.

The irony is that the biggest offenders never had proper visas in the first place.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: MK on June 05, 2013, 08:48:51 AM
"Foreign HR", what a f***ing fantastic name for a company ostensibly involved in cross-cultural relations! 

Their homepage (http://www.foreignhr.com.cn) also provides a classic example of one of my pet favorite things about China - the just-for-show "English" button to nowhere.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: bobrage on June 05, 2013, 08:50:45 AM
FYI - you can use these names to Google some message boards (in Chinese) which I have never before encountered.  They contain many secrets, which I considered coveting for myself, but then I decided not to.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Guangzhou Writer on June 05, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
Thanks for the tip. Was interesting reading.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: The Local Dialect on June 05, 2013, 10:42:13 AM
Personally, I've never trusted anyone named Gareth.

The irony is that the biggest offenders never had proper visas in the first place.

To the bolded -- how can you tell? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Guangzhou Writer on June 05, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
I just meant that the people I've known in China who were the kinds that really merited being blacklisted were not eligible to get proper visas and docs, so they would never end up on the official blacklist because the schools were employing them illegally and knew it.

Kind of a catch-22 since the school can't complain to the head muckety-muck and say, "This horrible laowai with fake papers we knew about, who only came to China because of a DUI conviction in Alice Springs (true story), pulled a runner and broke his contract. And we want him banned!"
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: The Local Dialect on June 05, 2013, 11:25:24 AM
Ahhh yeah, gotcha. I agree. The worst schools and the worst teachers tend to be the illegal types.

I really wish I knew some of the stories behind the blacklistings here. I bet there are some doozies!
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: MK on June 05, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
I am willing to bet that a lot of this blacklisting is due to these teachers being involved in certain "extracurricular activities".   Mainly those involving certain far flung regions of Our China, or perhaps those pertaining to certain unpopular religious groups.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Guangzhou Writer on June 05, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
I would truly love to see a facility for foreign teachers to complain to a similar department about schools, and then the department would measure complaints and apply a similar standard for blacklisting them. The obvious problem with this is that it would essentially create a 2 way type of communication and people who don't need visas to be in the Middle Kingdom are much more fond of the 1 way type of "communication".

How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: The Local Dialect on June 05, 2013, 01:59:14 PM
I would truly love to see a facility for foreign teachers to complain to a similar department about schools, and then the department would measure complaints and apply a similar standard for blacklisting them. The obvious problem with this is that it would essentially create a 2 way type of communication and people who don't need visas to be in the Middle Kingdom are much more fond of the 1 way type of "communication".

How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?

Schools would just bribe their way onto the safe list, unfortunately. :(
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Just Like Mr Benn on June 05, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
The China Foreign Teachers union are wrong in so, so many ways, but they have provided us all with a nice little blacklist.

I think the done thing is to copy the relevant part of webpages, but please tell me mods if it's too long, and you just want the link. http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org/

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Be advised that large chain operations like English First, Wall Street English, New Oriental, etc. should not be judged by the problems or misdeeds of one or two locations.

Beijing’s 12 Worst Schools (“The Dirty Dozen”)
http://www.globalblacklist.org

Woodpecker English (Beijing - Zhongguancun)  Manager Liu Lei
This school has a notorious reputation for not paying last paychecks and withholding release letters. We have received complaints from three teachers who report being threatened and/or bribed by Manager Liu Lei not to make problems. Steer clear of this school.  The actual complaints were not authorized for publication, and we respect the requests of the three teachers who actually fear retaliation from Mr. Liu.

Pingyang Quishi School (Wenzhou)
http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/01/30/china_foreign_teachers_union_exposes_extortion_by_principals
 
Chi Cheng International School  (Xian)

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6633-chi-cheng-international-english-school-gallop-xi-an-china

Tian Shuo School & "Maggie" (Chanchun)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic1852-tian-shuo--changchun-china.aspx 

Fei Fan English School  (Fushun)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6622-review-of-fei-fan-english-school-fushun-liaoning-china


Dong Peng English (Online)
http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-2148

English First (CCTV News Broadcast)

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=47786  and  http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/checking-employers-credentials-before.html and http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/checking-employers-credentials-before.html   and  http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/ef-hangzhou-student-grades-corruption.html   and   http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/ef-hangzhou-tax-avoidance-and-utilities.html  and http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic121-ef--english-first-china.aspx?MessageID=3549#post3549

Lucky Kids Kindergarten (Jiangdu)
See comments section below for details

ABC Foreign Language School
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/09/abc-foreign-language-training-school.html

Key Logic  a.k.a. Key-Logic (Beijing)

http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2143-pay-salary--earnings-of-china-foreign-teachers.aspx and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out  and http://answers.echinacities.com/node/100048   and                                  http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2067-key-logic-in-beijing-are-thieves--beware.aspx

Peng You English (Online)
This company refuses to provide a legitimate mailing address and ownership information and all emails are sent using a VPN service.

Rego International School (Shanghai)
http://shanghaiist.com/2012/01/13/shanghai_rego_international_school.php  and
http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/articles/blogs-shanghai/family-matters-shanghai/breaking-news-shanghai-rego-staff-faces-deportation-if-work-visas-not-obtained/

American Kids Language School (Hangzhou)  (see photos below)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6964-american-kids-language-school-hangzhou-warning

Cheery English (Shanghai)

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3854

Treville Foreign Language School (Guilin)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6682-treville-foreign-language-school-scam-guilin-guangxi

St. Paul Christian School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48104

Larry's Global English School (Taizhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6618-larry-global-english-taizhou-china

Shanghai Golden Apple School
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/08/shanghai-gold-apple-bilingual-school.html



Golden Tran a.k.a. Goldentran (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2011/05/20/Any-good-one-on-one-English-school-in-CBD-Is-Goldentran-good

Web International English linked with China ESL  & Rebecca Tang (Beijing)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic896-web-international-english--warning.aspx



North China Power Electric University
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/02/north-china-electric-power-university.html



Xuehui Science Kindergarten (Shanghai)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article123.htm



Runner Education (Xiamen)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article340.htm

Shanghai Kid's MBA Young American English School (Shanghai)
See comments section below for details

Okiki School, (Shangahi)

http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post1302



Canada Worldly English  (Guangzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1088069293-94300.txt



Cornelli School
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post1934



Larry Global English  (Taizhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6618-larry-global-english-taizhou-china



Warren School of Language  (Yinchuan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6593-warren-school-of-language-yinchuan-warning

ECA (Guangzhou)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6030



Kid Castle (Hangzhou)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2204



Bilingo China  a.k.a. China Bilingo  a.k.a.  UFEIC  a.k.a.  UFIEC  (Beijing)
http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5685&p=13421#p13421 and
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2133-warning--bilingo-china-cheats-foreign-teachers.aspx and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out#comment-602122 and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out#comment-601509 and http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/scam-alert-foreign-teacher-fraud/  and http://www.cleverchinacheaters.com/2012/09/the-china-blacklist-last-update-92012.html  and from TEFL Bad Apple and echinacities.com listings just recently deleted (money talks in China and 8 negative posts from 5 different FTs magically disappeared).



Wuhan Polytechnic University  (Wuhan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6592-wuhan-polytechnic-university



Bluniverse School (Hefei)
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2007/02/bluniverse-hefei-china.html



World International English School (Suzhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48332



Birmy International School  (Taizhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48146



Yang En University (Quangzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1088174973-67166.txt



KISQ School (Qingdao)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2592



Lingdong School  (Foshan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6590-lingdong-foshan-china



Davis Language Center (Tianjin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article8.htm



Jiangxi University of Traditional Chinese Medicine
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6591-jiangxi-university-of-traditional-chinese-medicine



Helen Group  (Hangzhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6575-china-tefl-network-helen-group-hangzhou-urgent-warning 



Fuzhou Polytechnical College (Fujian)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2865



Tianjin University of Commerce (Tianjin)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1086597142-661.txt



Aston English Schools (Shenyang)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic107-aston-english-schools-china.aspx



Benxi Future English School (Dongbei)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic553-david-hao-and-benxi-future-english-school.aspx



Yanjing Overseas Chinese University (Beijing)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1079201175-78614.txt  and http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1085602907-24355.txt



Thornburi Language Center
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48438



Ginzhou Foreign Language School
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6565-qinzhou-foreign-language-school-poor-treatment-to-teachers



Dezhou University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6570-dezhou-university-college-is-hell



Shenzen Shiyan School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48618



Huija Kindergarten (Beijing)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48594

Kid's MBA  (Jiangsu Province - All Locations)
This school is not licensed to hire foreigners and will never provide Z visas nor release letters.

Wenzhou University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6557-wenzhou-university-oujiang-college

Beijing Homestay (Beijing)
This operation is not licensed nor approved by the Minitry of Education and will not answer questions posed by the CFTU about the "deposits" they request from tecahers, nor issues pertaining to invitation letters and visas.

Weci English School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48655

Beijing High School No. 19
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-599757


Dr. Duan & CMS Chinese Montessori Society
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6615-dr-duan-president-of-cms-chinese-montessori-society


TEFL Academy
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5437-stay-away-from-tefl-academy



Guangdong Ocean University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5431-gdou-guangdong-ocean-university-in-zhanjiang-china

Zenith Kindergarten
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5176-zenith-kindergarten-guangzhou

Decai Training Center (Guangzhou)
http://www.russellcase.net/americas-china-syndrome.html  and

http://teachinginchina.net/ and http://www.russellcase.net/forensic-facts.html

English First (Xian)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5159-contract-details-for-ef-xian
Dell English (Songyuan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6577-dell-english-school-songyuan

English First (Changchun)
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/good-school-review-in-china/6609-ef-changchun-greylist

New Jordan Education Group
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/128-beware-new-jordan-education-group-all-branches

Shandong Provincial Modern School
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/90-shandong-provisional-modern-school-culture-institute-in-jinan

Columbia Private English School (Changchun)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article270.htm

Golden Bridge School  (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article94.htm

English Town  (Panjin)
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/126-english-town-panjin-china

English First (Hangzhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48090

Childrens Joy Language School  (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article370.htm

San Jie Foreign Language School (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article364.htm

TCM China  (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article272.htm

Yakup International (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article64.htm and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article34.htm  and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article31.htm

Wall Street English (Shanghai)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48401

Auqi English School (Heliojiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article318.htm

Hebi School of Vocation & Technolog
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=47634

Harbin Star Foreign Language School  (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article294.htm

Highbird International School (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article293.htm

Roy English Training Center a.k.a. Roy Language Center (Helionjiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article32.htm                                    and http://www.englishschoolwatch.org/notebook_detail.php?topic_id=2109

Jingbei Foreign Language College (Hebei)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article141.htm                                                     and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article267.htm

English First (Taiyuan)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article379.htm

John Gao's school, Number 2 foreign language school (AKA number 18 middle/high school), Modern English, People's Number Two Hospital, Shanxi university (Taiyuan)http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1101454561-39762.txt

Yincai School (Inner Mongolia)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3845 and http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3945

New Century English School (Dalian)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article334.htm

Shutong Pattison (Liaoning)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3926

Delter International Business School
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article117.htm

Seder English Training Center (Dalian)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article284.htm

Icon Language Center (Suzho)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article7.htm

Jiangsu Huaian Modern English  (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article274.htm

Nanjing Talent Academy  (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article287.htm

Sino Canada High School  (Suzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1093239223-80936.txt

Stenford English (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article232.htm

Hangzhou Babel English (Zhejiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article390.htm

Jinagxi University of Finance and Economics (JUFE)  (Nanchang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article171.htm

Yingtan College (Jiangxi)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1083334358-43636.txt


AceLeader English School a.k.a. Ace Leader (Beijing)

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-556047

Youth Academy Of Dance  a.k.a. YAD  a.k.a.  Tong Yi

Vivid English School  (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2008/12/01/Vivid-English-Club-Owner-Steals-Money-Skips-Town

Suzhou Foreign Language School  (Suzhou)
http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2896 

EtonKids a.k.a. Eton Kids  (Beijing)
http://etonkidsbeware.com/files/EtonLetter.pdf

Golden Apple  (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-575659

Yu Ming Education Center aka Yuming Education Center (Tianjin)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4641 
 
New Dynamic Institute  (Beijing & Shanghai)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?read=80525

China ESL & Rebecca Tang  (Beijing)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/5450-chinaesl-a-scam-bad-for-schools-and-teachers and http://www.thebeijinger.com/node/1592803 and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you and http://www.thebeijinger.com/node/1592803#comment-589030 and http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-chalkboard/travelsmith2/posts/11005-the-shadiest-contract-ive-ever-seen and http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=35714

Caig Hill  (China Esl Agent - See Photos Below)
http://craighillchinadailymail.blogspot.co.uk/ and  http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/is-the-china-daily-post-and-editor-craig-hill-a-shill-scam/

Ameson Education  (America)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/6583-ameson-education-aamp-culture-exchange-foundation   

 Athena Learning Center (Beijing) Owned/Operated By American Fugitive Sam Arnold
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/generalinformation/newsroom/mostwanted/SamuelNevielArnold.asp

American Kids Language Training School  (Hangzhou)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2192-american-kids-language-training-school---hanzhou.aspx?lastpage=1#post3809

Richard's English (Shaoxing) 
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5249

HK Sunbow Foreign Language Kindergarten (Guangdong)
(See Complaints in Comments Section Below)

Chi Cheng International Language School (Xian)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6633-chi-cheng-international-english-school-gallop-xi-an-china
Guangdong Ocean University (Zhanjiang)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5431-gdou-guangdong-ocean-university-in-zhanjiang-china

Mongolia College (Inner Mongolia)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5402

Peng's Foreign Language Training School (Shenzen)
Unlicensed and Horric Contracts - 17 complaints received in 2012

Jilin Province Education & Maggie Wang aka Maggie Wong (Jilin)

http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2245-do-not-work-for-jilin-province-education-maggie.aspx

Fei Fan English School (Fushun, Lioaning)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48150
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: xwarrior on June 05, 2013, 07:19:15 PM

How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?

There are 6819 of them and they are listed here:

http://www.anesl.com/schools/info.asp?province=&page=1
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Day Dreamer on June 05, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
Tian Shuo School & "Maggie" (Chanchun)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic1852-tian-shuo--changchun-china.aspx 

My first real job in China was with these clowns. The reason they are on this list would make an interesting movie. I did my full year, got all my bonus and was able to walk away with my head up. It took some doing, but I never relented, knew what I could/couldn't do and got what was rightfully mine
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: kitano on June 06, 2013, 02:00:51 AM
It sort of regulates itself up to a point. If you're good at your job and stay in China for a few years you will find the good or better schools and know how to avoid the rubbish ones. Likewise if the school is serious and treats teachers well they will be able to keep teachers who are good and not hang onto the ones who suck

I mean in principle I agree with having an organisation to protect the integrity of English teaching in China but they can get round to that after they stop officials taking bribes...
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Wagner on October 02, 2014, 03:58:35 AM

How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?

There are 6819 of them and they are listed here:

http://www.anesl.com/schools/info.asp?province=&page=1


Maybe you should read this about this bogus "SAFEA Whitelist":   http://www.realscam.com/f8/angelinas-esl-cafe-beijing-another-dubious-teach-china-scam-3202/
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: bobrage on October 07, 2014, 07:59:53 AM
Please stop spending your time posting endless copies of the same crap in different corners of the internet and seek help, or at the very least strong medication.
Title: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Just Like Mr Benn on October 07, 2014, 08:12:21 AM
Wagner- The post (from this topic) you've quoted has nothing to do with your CFTU information that you've linked to. It's simply a link to a list of which schools are allowed to recruit foreign teachers, which is helpful information.

Can't you at least read the posts before CFTUing them?


Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: English Gent on October 07, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
useful........
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: KeyserSoze on December 12, 2015, 07:53:13 AM
Oh lordy lordy. I have worked for two of the schools on Just Like Mr. Benn's post (#16).

I found this thread through an internet search. No, not bing.

Jiminy. I need to search the internet before I accept a position.

Goodness gracious ... sorry to necropost ...
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Badsmarty on January 11, 2016, 01:49:22 AM
I used to be one of those "high and mighty," forum posters who always argued against breaking contracts and doing midnight runners.  But I honestly think that applies to other countries other than China. 

I really believe it is okay to break a contract in China if you believe you will never come back to this place ever again.  China isn't like other countries.  The recruiters or schools who hire do not tell you the tiny details that will make or break your stay here.  It's all a matter of perspective, something they simply do not have. 

I'm in no way endorsing anyone break their contracts and do midnight runners, but having now experienced China I'm less inclined to judge people who decided to bail ship.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Just Like Mr Benn on January 11, 2016, 01:16:37 PM
Does that mean that things are going / went bad for you in China.

Like you, I think that its wrong to bail on a school, but sometimes its the best of 2 bad options.

I had to bail on a school (not in China) at one point. I felt terrible, and frankly the bad situation was caused by my not doing the due diligence I would have done if it was a chinese employer. The day I arrived I realised that it was a big mistake, but I was so determined to be someone who kept his word, and to not run out on the school days before the start of semester leaving them with no possibility of getting a replacement teacher, that I decided to stay.

By the time I woke up on my third morning i knew i had to go, and although I felt incredibly guilty, there's not one doubt that I made the right decision. It would have been disasterous to stay.

I'm not ancient, but I'm old enough to know a bad situation when I encounter one, but if I'd been paying proper attention in my skype interview, i could have avoided some of the most stressful days of my life.

The thing is, it was basically my fault, but I came out of it having had an interesting and educational experience.

So I think midnight runs are wrong, but the very nature of throwing yourself into the unknown is that however careful you are, it's possible to eventually make a  mistake.

As I say this wasn't china, and I'm not sure there's a particular problem with China, but the cultural differences can really accentuate misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Isidnar on January 12, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Calach Pfeffer on January 13, 2016, 03:06:34 AM
Since we're here and talking... the difference between breaking a contract and quitting is presumably whether or  not you notify the school you're leaving early. But either way you get a breach penalty. I don't know enough, or any, of contract law in general to know if that is weird, but it seems weird. Employment contracts you can't quit from without being penalised? I could see breach penalties in a contract to deliver goods, and I guess also services too, which leaves me wondering why I think teaching is different.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Isidnar on January 13, 2016, 03:38:47 AM
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Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Badsmarty on January 16, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
Mr. Benn, well I think it's impossible for anyone to say whether you made the right decision or not.  It sounds like you were miserable though and that doesn't make for a good teacher so I personally think you did make the right decision.  Like I said, I don't advocate quitting early but sometimes you simply have no choice.

Ya, I might be doing a "runner" or quitting during the New Year's break.  I have taught in many countries and this will be the first time.  I do feel some guilt but only for leaving my students.  The school I work for is terrible and I'm not going to stay and continue to be miserable.

Before coming here I tried to do as much research as I possibly could but there just some things you cannot account for.  The organization that hired me turned out to be nothing more than a glorified recruitment agency.  They hid the truth.  They hire teachers illegally on business visas and then let them go when it's convenient.  I'm not sure whether to blame the teachers for this or not.  These teachers are from countries like Holland, Spain and Russia, so I guess it's their fault for taking the risk?

I've had problems with no heating, no water and no Internet for days at a time.  You really can't foresee these type of problems before coming over.

Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Isidnar on January 17, 2016, 03:42:41 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Badsmarty on January 18, 2016, 01:07:28 AM
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I've had problems with no heating, no water and no Internet for days at a time.

No water? That's just China, from my admittedly small experiential sample of two apartments over five years. I've been without water for two days at least twice. It might be more a problem of your neighbors renovating their apartments than your recruiter.

As for the rest, I don't know. I'm just glad I won't be one of the colleagues you leave in the lurch.

I work at a public school, so no colleagues that would suffer :)

Actually the water problem was for several days and was a municipal issue that affected many people in the neighborhood. 

My issue with my school is that they simply don't care about the foreign teachers where I work.  There are two of us here and we are an afterthought at best.  When talking to us, they treat me okay but the other foreign teacher they absolutely hate.  I honestly believe it has to do with the fact that they hate foreigners in general.  The last few teachers all quit and I guess that skewed their opinion of all foreigners.  Not really much I can do about that.

I have been told by many teachers here that what I am going through is normal.  I know teachers who have lived here for years and they told me they haven't made any real Chinese friends at all.  Moreover, they are all pretty much despised and hated at their schools too which makes me reconsider leaving.  If it's normal and just a cultural thing then I'm probably over-reacting.
Title: Re: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pulling a “Midnight Run”
Post by: Isidnar on January 18, 2016, 01:22:51 AM
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