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Title: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on May 23, 2011, 02:24:49 AM
I need to provide a release letter which is a form that is filled out by my school. Now, I am working at a foundation school which is a part or feeds into a university in Nanjing. Can I have my foundation school fill out this form or should I contact my FAO at the university? Please help.......this is driving me nuts!
 aoaoaoaoao
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: old34 on May 23, 2011, 02:41:25 AM
Who is Party A in your contract? Which school is named in the FEC? Who did the original paperwork?
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on May 23, 2011, 03:04:41 AM
That would be the university in Nanjing. They are listed as Party A and placed me at the public school that I am at in Huai'an.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: old34 on May 23, 2011, 04:33:05 AM
Then you'll probably need a release letter from them (the Nanjing school).
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: rosepetal on May 23, 2011, 04:40:34 AM
The release letter is a standard, and all schools know how to go about processing it.  All you need to do is ask your new employer to contact the laoban or admin person in charge of foreign teachers, and the letter will be forwarded directly, as a matter of policy.  It needs the school seal, of course, but the Chinese know precisely what to do.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Raoul F. Duke on May 29, 2011, 06:03:51 AM
Mac, I'm not clear on the situation here. Why do you need the release letter? Have you moved from one school to another, or about to do so? If so, you need the letter to come from your former or outgoing employer, whoever that may be.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 03, 2011, 12:40:28 AM
OK, here is the latest from my current employer. They want me to have my new employer contact them directly to get the release letter or form saying that I am free and clear to work at another school. Does this sound reasonable?
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Raoul F. Duke on June 03, 2011, 12:59:10 AM
Hmmm...might make things easier. But it also sets up a line of communication potentially about you...but you can't see it. aoaoaoaoao

Guess it depends on how things went at the previous employer...

I think I'd at least wait until after I'd officially been hired by the new employer, if possible, if things didn't go well before.
Chinese managers can be pretty vindictive.... oooooooooo
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 03, 2011, 01:17:42 AM
OK, thanks Raoul. The only thing that I have left to do for the new employer is to sign the contract. This will be in Dalian and I am looking to start in September at a University.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 26, 2011, 06:55:21 AM
UPDATE:

I have signed the contract for my new school in Dalian.

However, I am still waiting on getting this release form from my current employer. I have been communicating with them via e-mail and phone. This form has still not materialized nor does it seem likely that I will see it anytime soon. My new FAO has also communicated with this outfit and nothing has been done.

I do have some options, though:
 
So, I am going to throw this out..........What do you all think of this? I have been incredably patient with these morons and I am tired of pussy footing around. As far as I am concerned they can  :lickass:.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: xwarrior on June 26, 2011, 07:48:55 AM
The Letter of Release usually cannot be issued until you have completed all the terms of your present contract. Most places will give it to you in the last week/on the last day of your time there. The end date of your contract really determines the timing but some places will hand it over once you have completed all requirements (hand in marks/lesson plans/etc)and got your final pay.

The Letter of Release is not required for a new contract to be signed. It is, however, required to get the documentation for a Foreign Expert Certificate which will allow you to start work at the new job. This usually follows some time after a contract has been signed.

Years ago I got around a situation by getting my employer to give me a document that set out the start-finish dates of my contract and a brief statement that they would provide me with a Letter of Release on the conclusion of my contract.




   
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 26, 2011, 08:07:56 AM
Thanks xwarrior.

I have two problems with this.

1. I leave for the states on July 12th and will not be returning to Huai'an where I am     
   teaching. After my vacation I will be going directly to Dalian.

2. The release letter needs to be issued by the college in Nanjing and NOT the school that I
   am currently teaching at here in Huai'an.

So, even though my contract does not end until Aug. 31st, I must have it before leaving in two weeks.

 aoaoaoaoao
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: BrandeX on June 26, 2011, 01:46:20 PM
If you are going to be in the USA, how about just getting a new entry visa and work permit?
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: xwarrior on June 26, 2011, 02:47:55 PM
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I have two problems with this.

The 3rd problem is that you dealing with an organisation that has no vested interest in being helpful now that you are on the way out. They seem to be playing the usual 'run it around the block until it goes away' game.

I was faced with that 3 jobs ago and it was only solved by keeping in the face of the FAO responsible.

The key points are:

1. You must get the document before you leave because they will all bugger off for the holidays no matter what they say about the office being open

2. It is best for you to give them a template for the Leaving Clearance document. The best example I have seen is on the Hunan State Authority for Foreign Experts site, and you shouls be able to download it from there. It is not a basic document.

3. Identify the FAO person who is going to issue the document to you in person (as put it in your hand) and persecute them. Hold them personally responsible for solving the problem - if they try to duck-shove then tell them you could not give a fuck about the details of their system ... that is the FAO's problem to solve. Get a deadline out of them that suits you ... and leaves at least 3 days to sort out if they do not deliver on time.

4. the document needs to be on red letter head and have a red stamp. Do not let them try to give you anything less.

The Nanjing thing sure complicates things but nailing the FAO (at the school you are teaching at) to the wall seems to be the only way to go. All they have to do is email your template (with the details filled in) to Nanjing and get them to Express Mail back the stamped document on letterhead.

Stay strong!  agagagagag           



 
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 26, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
Thanks xwarrior!

Also, my FAO is in Nanjing, also! The only people that I deal with here at the school are Chinese English teachers and a liaison who helps me with problems with my apartments and other things like that.

These stupid morons will be visiting my school soon to administer the speaking component of the sample IELTS test. I will confront them at this time, of course. In the mean time, I will hold my testing results back from them. I will also be pestering them by phone to get this document to me. I had previously sent them a template to be filled out.

My biggest problem with these jerks is the lack of communication on their part. They have ignored my e-mails, refused to take my calls, and made false promises to me concerning this. I will say this:
NEVER EVER WORK FOR A FOUNDATION SCHOOL!!!!

 ababababab
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: teacheraus on June 26, 2011, 10:35:24 PM
I do sympathise with you but remember that you do have the option of applying for a new z visa once you are back in your home country for vacation as long as you can take the paperwork you need with you - and the only paperwork that you need is paperwork that you can get from your new employer. Because you are already leaving the country you don't "need" the release letter. The way that you were going to do it and to transfer from one employer to another is one option that you had but it is not your only option and with the hassle and stress it is creating for you in your position I would actually be inclined to give up on it as a viable option and simply get your new employer to give you the paperwork to apply for the new Z visa from the country you are going to be visiting (I think from what you have said your home country but if it was another country then as long as the paperwork named that as the country then you would have been ok).

I have decided that the true measure of a good school comes when you leave. My current school gave me the paperwork I needed to transfer the FEC and then RP 3 days after I told them I was leaving - which was around 6 weeks before the end of my contract.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on June 26, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
That is a good point teacheraus.

Unfortunately, I would need to be gone for three months to come back on a z visa. This is how I understand the process. Correct me if I have misstated something.

Either way, I still have three weeks to get this done. So, my first option is to do this. I look at this as the path to the least resistance. If all else fails, then I will consider your option.

Thanks for the info. This has indeed been an eye opener for me!  kkkkkkkkkk
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on August 21, 2011, 11:30:49 PM
Ok, just a little update. My new school had a problem with the form that my old employer had filled out. Here is what they had told them:

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Please according to what Dalian State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs required, change the school name into your school above the contacted person. Please seal on it , if you leader is back. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. I really appreciate.

Then, I got the following reply to my inquiries as to why this was taking so long:
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Sorry to keep you waiting for my reply.
I prepared your release letter ready long time ago, but your new school said that it's not good enough for their Foreign Affairs Bureau there, I cannot use the paper with the title of our college's name on it, and  I also need to use the standard release form which they gave me this week.
But the problem is that our president Charlie won't be at college for two weeks, he's on the business trip at this moment, it also means that I can't get the stamp on your release letter.
 

I just plan on waiting this out. Worse case scenario is that I go back home. I seriously doubt that this will happen, though.

This is China............ ahahahahah
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: latefordinner on August 25, 2011, 03:23:22 AM
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I do sympathise with you but remember that you do have the option of applying for a new z visa once you are back in your home country for vacation as long as you can take the paperwork you need with you - and the only paperwork that you need is paperwork that you can get from your new employer.
Making things muckier than ever, my new employer has informed me that even though I am leaving China and applying for the Z from abroad, I still have to provide a release letter from my last SAFEA employer. Yup, it's been 3 years, there have been staff changes at that college and almost no one there remembers me, but I had to go to them and find someone who spoke English who could help me get a standard release letter. And, as Mac Attack relates, the old letter on college letterhead that I got 3 years ago is no longer valid, it has to be the new standard form.  What would I do if I had been away from Dalian for 5 or more years? This release letter business has not been thought through very well.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Mac Attack on September 01, 2011, 11:21:15 AM
OK, I finally got my release letter!

I called them the other day after three months of wrangling and gave them a drop dead date of this Friday (Sept. 2nd). The person that I talked with told me that they would try to get this done but I told her that trying was not good enough. She needed to get this done ASAP.

Then, I followed it up with the following e-mail:
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As mentioned in my phone call today, please send the release letter immediately to my new school. E-mail the details to me when this has been done. If my new employer does not receive this by Friday (Sept 2nd), I will file a formal complaint with the authorities.

Also, since I can not start my new job until this letter has been received, I am still technically under contract with your organization. Because of this, I fully expect to continue to receive my monthly salary until this letter has been received.

I got a text from the girl within 5 hours of sending this message saying that it was being sent via EMS with the tracking number. I consider myself to be a very patient guy but, sometimes, you need to take a harder stand.

Also, I talked with my new school. They had receive a copy of the release letter and it was perfect. This is one less thing to worry about, for sure.  bhbhbhbhbh
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: AMonk on September 02, 2011, 08:55:49 AM
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Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: CaseyOrourke on September 09, 2011, 04:13:38 AM
OK, I finally got my release letter!

I called them the other day after three months of wrangling and gave them a drop dead date of this Friday (Sept. 2nd). The person that I talked with told me that they would try to get this done but I told her that trying was not good enough. She needed to get this done ASAP.

Then, I followed it up with the following e-mail:
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As mentioned in my phone call today, please send the release letter immediately to my new school. E-mail the details to me when this has been done. If my new employer does not receive this by Friday (Sept 2nd), I will file a formal complaint with the authorities.

Also, since I can not start my new job until this letter has been received, I am still technically under contract with your organization. Because of this, I fully expect to continue to receive my monthly salary until this letter has been received.

I got a text from the girl within 5 hours of sending this message saying that it was being sent via EMS with the tracking number. I consider myself to be a very patient guy but, sometimes, you need to take a harder stand.

Also, I talked with my new school. They had receive a copy of the release letter and it was perfect. This is one less thing to worry about, for sure.  bhbhbhbhbh

It's amazing how quickly a Chinese company can get things done when it means doing nothing results in more money coming out of their pocket.
Title: Re: Foundation School - Release Letter
Post by: Raoul F. Duke on September 09, 2011, 04:40:36 AM
Indeed.
Well done, Mac Attack! agagagagag
Sometimes with these schools you really have to stand up for yourself and fight until you get what you are entitled to. Your approach to this was spot on...absolutely brilliant. bjbjbjbjbj