Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things

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Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« on: July 14, 2010, 06:18:37 PM »
Many of us come from countries where there is nothing too life threatening in the environment. New Zealand, for example, does not have snakes and most of the plant life is pretty innocuous.

There are some things in China, however, that can shorten your life span - even down to 0 minutes, as in it can kill you.

I am not talking about the ones that people debate in terms of pros and cons (cell phone usage, fluoride, MSG etc.) but the ones that will indisputabaly do some damage to you.

This report draws attention to a pretty obscure example; you would have to travel to the remote areas of Yunnan at a certain time of the year to be at risk:

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Every summer during the height of the rainy season, villagers of all ages in a corner of southwestern China would suddenly die of cardiac arrest.

No one knew what caused Yunnan Sudden Death Syndrome, blamed for an estimated 400 deaths in the past three decades.

Now, after a five-year investigation, an elite investigative unit from China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention believes it has pinpointed the cause: an innocuous-looking small mushroom known as Little White.

The search for the culprit began in 2005 and took investigators to remote villages spread over the rural highlands of Yunnan province, said Robert Fontaine, an epidemiologist with the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There was "this very obvious clustering of deaths in villages in very short periods of time in the summer," said Fontaine, who helped in the investigation. "It appears that there was something a little different going on."

Local health officials had noted the deaths for years. In 2004, they appealed to Beijing for assistance. The government gave the task to the China Field Epidemiology Training Program, a unit of medical investigators at China's CDC assigned some of the country's toughest health mysteries.

The medical teams encountered obstacles. Many villagers didn't speak standard Chinese, instead communicating in their own dialect. Villages were scattered in often remote areas. Rapid burials made it difficult to conduct autopsies. Torrential rain and mudslides hampered travel.

But that first year, investigators were able to narrow down the list of possibilities: most victims had drunk surface water, they had emotional stress and they ate mushrooms.

The investigators zeroed in on mushrooms, because the deaths were closely aligned with the harvesting season. More than 90 percent of the deaths occurred in July or August. By the end of 2005, investigators began issuing warnings to some villages to avoid eating unfamiliar mushrooms.

That was a difficult order to follow. Yunnan province is legendary for its wide variety of wild mushrooms, many of which are exported at high prices. Entire families go out to hunt for them during the summer months.

By 2008, investigators had discovered a relatively unknown mushroom in a number of homes where people had died. The mushroom is not usually sold in the markets, because it's too small.

"We repeatedly found it at all these sites," Fontaine said.

A public information campaign to warn against eating the mushrooms has dramatically reduced the number of deaths. Only a handful have been reported in the past couple of years, and none so far this year.

However, the mystery has not yet been definitively solved.

Testing found the mushroom contained some toxins, though not enough to be deadly. Chinese scientists need to isolate the toxin and test whether it triggers cardiac arrests.

Researchers have hypothesized that there is a second agent. Many of the victims showed high levels of barium, a heavy metal in the soil that seeps into mushrooms.

"There is a lot of work left to do," Fontaine said. "We really need additional lab investigations."

Problems with poisonous mushrooms are common throughout Asia, said Diderik De Vleeschauwer, a spokesman for the UN Food and Agriculture Organization regional office in Thailand.

"Normally we expect people to have knowledge of what they can and can't eat. One would think there is indigenous knowledge available about what they can forage," he said. "But these are accidents that can happen."

Working on the 'forewarned is to be forearmed' principle others might like to give information on the other things to watch out for.






 

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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2010, 07:11:57 PM »
Yes, there are definitely perils such as this, and many others.

Some years ago I read a non-fiction narrative about the days of the
British Raj, in India. The Brits who lived and worked there back in that
period called it "The Land of Sudden Death", and I think this term
could be equally-applied, there.

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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2010, 07:50:49 PM »
Summer floods also apparently wash a lot of snakes, some of them venomous obviously (other wise no reason to worry - me like snakes), down from the mountains into inhabited areas like villages and even large towns and cities - as if the flooding itself wasn't bad enough - mind where you tread!



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Just like all animals and snakes get a bad rap - they are generally harmless and often eat vermin such as rats and mice.
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2010, 08:09:55 PM »
Snakes?  psssshhhhh!  Every Australian has a
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2010, 11:57:49 PM »
Don't eat white mushrooms, especially in Yunnan Province.

What I don't get is why people would all of the sudden die from eating this. If the white mushroom something new that the people never ate before, or have they always ate this and now is killing them?


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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2010, 07:13:42 PM »
For most of us, we would only encounter such perils if we got way, way off the beaten track...either by wandering off into the jungle/mountains/etc. or by making a habit of dining in the homes of rural farm families.

Supermarkets, and most local wet markets, will generally not sell such controversial foods. Neighborhood restaurants may serve such local stuff in season, but you won't know how to order it, and they probably won't venture to suggest them to you. bfbfbfbfbf

China has a few hazardous animals, but in general you really have to go looking for them. Most town and agricultural land has been lived on so long that most of its wildlife has long since been eaten or turned into Chinese medicine or just developed out of the neighborhood.

There are a few tigers left- in DongBei and Inner Mongolia, and in the Southeast from Jiangsu Province south- but they're very rare and nowhere near a city. There are some nasty snakes in the jungles and rain forests and swamps of the Southeast, with cobras ranging again as far north as Jiangsu Province. But you really have to get out into the boonies to find them.

In general, I'd be much more concerned about bodily harm from hepatitis, road accidents, or Chinese doctors than I would about any local flora or fauna. oooooooooo
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2010, 02:06:20 AM »
Other foreigners!!  They lead you into more dangers than anything else. :)
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 02:48:43 AM »
I agree with RD that most of risks are found in rural areas - and remote ones at that. For all that I lived in on campus in a city in South China that had snakes in residence - the campus was next to a small forest and the Boss of Facilities said that we were 'lucky to be living in a natural environment.'

Some things do not have to big to cause a problem:

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Areas of China with Malaria: Rural parts of Anhui, Yunnan, Hainan provinces. Rare cases occur in other rural parts of the country <1,500 m (<4,921 ft) during May–December. None in major river cruises and urban areas.

If you will be visiting an area of China with malaria, you will need to discuss with your doctor the best ways for you to avoid getting sick with malaria. Ways to prevent malaria include the following:

    * Taking a prescription antimalarial drug
    * Using insect repellent and wearing long pants and sleeves to prevent mosquito bites
    * Sleeping in air-conditioned or well-screened rooms or using bednets

Some areas of China have resistance to certain antimalarial drugs. See the Malaria Risk Information and Prophylaxis, by Country chart to find out which antimalarial drug is appropriate for the area you plan to visit in China. For detailed information about each of these drugs, see Table 2-23: Drugs used in the prophylaxis of malaria. For information that can help you and your doctor decide which of these drugs would be best for you, please see Choosing a Drug to Prevent Malaria.
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 03:04:17 AM »
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Rabies in China
29 September 2009

The Ministry of Health for China reports that annually, more than 40 million individuals on the mainland are bitten by animals. The report also states that China is one of the couuntries most threatened by rabies.

In recent years, an average of 2400 individuals in China died from rabies infection  annually. In the past five years, most rabies deaths occurred in the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Rgion and the southern provinces of Guizhou, Guangdong, Hunan and Sichuan; accounting for 60.85% of the total. The number of rabies cases in the central and northern parts of the country have also increased in recent years.

   Advice for travellers

Currently there is a global shortage of human rabies immunoglobulin (used in the treatment of a potentially rabid bite).

Travellers to the provinces of China should avoid all animal contact, including domestic cats and dogs and not rely on the availability of full post-exposure treatment. Rabies vaccine is available for those at particular risk, prior to travel.

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Studies during the last five years showed rabies occurred most frequently in highly populated areas and South China, the report said, with more than 60 percent of cases reported in areas including the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region and the provinces of Guizhou, Guangdong, Hunan and Sichuan.

Victims were usually male, younger than 15 years old or older than 50, and lived in poor rural communities.

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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2010, 04:51:04 AM »
Rats! I see the little fuckers everywhere. I'm not a big fan of cockroaches, but you'd need millions at once to kill you. Rats carrying diseases worry me. And, if cornered, they will fight back
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2010, 05:11:50 AM »


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Rats! I see the little fuckers everywhere.

This is a bigger fucker .........

"Giant rat caught in China - Telegraph"

... in Fuzhou ... last year
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 03:30:51 PM »
I'll bet that big sucker got et! aoaoaoaoao aaaaaaaaaa

Meanwhile, I agree with the general trend here (I think)...and it's a good chance to get on a favorite soapbox I'm probably due to get on anyway...

Folks, China can be a hotbed of some pretty nasty diseases...Hep A, Hep B, Typhus, Malaria, Rabies, Polio, Japanese Encephalitis, and more...horrible stuff you just don't ever want to experience first-hand. kkkkkkkkkk
Many of these are rarely seen in urban areas, but some- especially the Hepatitis strains- are an issue even in the biggest cities.

The point here is to take this stuff seriously- get all the recommended vaccinations and keep them current, and take the necessary basic precautions with food and water. There are materials in the Links and Library sections to help you with this.

It's an important message for trip-planners and newcomers, who are often still young and goofy or otherwise can't conceive of being in a place where you truly have to worry about such things. But it also needs to be repeated often for the veterans, who get all comfy and start to let their guards down...

It ain't hard, at least for city-dwellers...get the shots, never drink untreated tap water, and handle fruits and vegetables so they will be safe to eat. It could really, truly save your life.

I myself seem to have contracted MRSA (Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus) while in China. Fortunately, it's just the nasty skin-infection form and not, say, a post-surgical infection. I've been back in the States over 18 months now, and I'm STILL fighting to get rid of the damn stuff.

It's a cliche, yeah, but some truth in it...you really aren't in Kansas any more. Be careful out there... :wtf:
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we're building the corrupt, incompetent, baijiu-swilling buttheads of tomorrow!" (Raoul F. Duke)

Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 04:02:55 PM »
Ohhh, MRSA, that's nasty stuff Raoul. Get well soon!
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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 04:57:52 PM »
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I'll bet that big sucker got et!
I was just thinking probably half the village dined on that.

Back on topic: RD, you do make an important point.  bjbjbjbjbj

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Re: Things you MUST avoid in China - the 'peril' things
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 06:04:10 PM »
As you can probably tell from my little avatar here, I'm
fond of dogs, cats, and various other little mammals.

One evening at my last school, a couple of my fellow-FTs
and I were walking down a crowded downtown street. A local couple
had their dog (a poodle!) on a leash, and,
 I just naturally went to give the little guo a friendly-pat.

But!! My two pals (physically) restrained me, and warned me to never,
ever, even put one finger on any dog in the street.(in the PRC, that is).
But, to this day, I don't know why those guys were so alarmed - thought rabies, and/or other nasty infections, were contracted from being bitten (by an infected dog)??
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