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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Guaranteed Life Contract, After Five Years?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on April 15, 2024, 05:29:39 PM »
I have the feeling that's just a form of open ended contract that automatically renews unless one side or the other decides to cancel.

Before signing a lifetime contract, make sure that it specifies minimum compensation improvements each year.  I don't think too many people want the exact same salary in 2034 that they were getting in 2024.

I second AMonk's recommendation consult the Labor Bureau if you want to know more.  ABSOLUTELY consult a lawyer familiar with labor law before signing any sort of "lifetime" contract.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Guaranteed Life Contract, After Five Years?
« Last post by AMonk on April 15, 2024, 01:53:12 AM »
 Is that information applicable to ALL employees, regardless of Nationality?  mmmmmmmmmm
Or is it only for the Chinese people? 

Your co-worker might be both correct as well as in error, depending on the reliability of his/her information, and the employees to whom it applies.
You might want to consult your local Labour office.


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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Guaranteed Life Contract, After Five Years?
« Last post by Ivyman on April 14, 2024, 02:06:33 AM »
Hi Everyone,

A co-worker of mine said that, after five year contract, a lifetime contract must be given.

Do we have any data on this matter of Chinese labor law? It sounds like a good deal.

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The Champagne Cabana / Re: What's Making Me Happy!
« Last post by AMonk on March 29, 2024, 03:32:18 AM »
 agagagagag agagagagag gggggggggg bibibibibi agagagagag ahahahahah ahahahahah ahahahahah
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Why Laid Off Anyway; Do They Need to Show Cause?
« Last post by AMonk on March 29, 2024, 03:30:03 AM »
 :respect:
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The Champagne Cabana / Re: What's Making Me Happy!
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on March 28, 2024, 10:47:15 PM »
It was a charity trip visiting some schools.  My presence may have caused a few minor disruptions, but nothing too bad.

As always, I get a few tongue-tied students who obviously want to talk to me, but won't speak even if I turn on my translation app.  This time there was one teacher in the same state. Once I got her on WeChat, she sent me a pile of questions.  I'm still not done answering them all.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Why Laid Off Anyway; Do They Need to Show Cause?
« Last post by Escaped Lunatic on March 28, 2024, 10:42:20 PM »
They only need to show cause if they want to get out of paying compensation.  As long as the full amount (based on how long you've been there) is paid, they can let you go for no reason at all.

Give a trusted friend your exact start date and the upcoming end date.  Have that person call the labor bureau and ask exactly how much compensation you are owed.

If they try to ask you to sign a resignation letter, don't do it.  Don't sign anything unless you first confirm with the labor bureau that it will not alter your rights.
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Why Laid Off Anyway; Do They Need to Show Cause?
« Last post by Ivyman on March 25, 2024, 04:07:31 PM »
Good point. It is what my friends say.

1. That is the strange thing:

a. Yes, our program is down to a few students. Layoffs make sense in our department.

b. However

- Our entire school is expanding
- There is about 50% turnover each year

Why not just transfer us to another department, at least for awhile.

2. Maybe they could hire cheaper replacements. There is always a teacher that will do it cheaper. But, why?
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Re: Why Laid Off Anyway; Do They Need to Show Cause?
« Last post by AMonk on March 25, 2024, 02:59:13 AM »
What springs to my mind ...

Is the school :-
1) running out of money?  aoaoaoaoao
2) shutting down (or downsizing)?  mmmmmmmmmm
3) planning on hiring replacements that they don't have to pay so much for? asasasasas cbcbcbcbcb

 hmmhmm
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The Bar (ON-TOPIC) / Why Laid Off Anyway; Do They Need to Show Cause?
« Last post by Ivyman on March 25, 2024, 02:24:22 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I still feel very emotional about my contract not being renewed.

I want to understand my rights as a worker in China.

1. In Western countries, most employment is at will. If a worker does not show up one day, that is his prerogative. Likewise, an employer can, and often does, lay off or terminate a person in an instant.

2. It seems difficult for both parties in China to do so.

3. I do commend my workplace for telling me early, "we are not renewing your contract."

Rather, it just hurts that I work 60-70 hours a week for 3.5 years, only to be treated like this.

4. Was what they did legal? Was it normal?

5. I would appreciate anything constructive, not sarcastic, cynical or rude.
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