Little soapboxes have a habit of becoming ugly, especially when the speaker can only see his own POV~!!
floridation being a Soviet plotBelieve it or not, a variation of that one is being played out on China Daily Forums!
I was going to break out the one about floridation being a Soviet plot and see if I could get Cheeky to argue with me about it.
I've actually got a book on the evil Russkie fluoridation plot buried somewhere in my collection.
3) Don't support sports teams with Commie names like "Seminoles".Just when you told us to play nice, YOU go picking fights. What have you got against Nolefan?
Quote3) Don't support sports teams with Commie names like "Seminoles".Just when you told us to play nice, YOU go picking fights. What have you got against Nolefan?
....... I heed the words of our late, great President, Lyndon B. Johnson: "Never trust a man unless you have his pecker in his pocket."
Indeed. And I finally got the pockets right. agagagagag
When I read an opinion vastly different from my own beliefs I just think, 'wow, opens my eyes to how others believe.'I go 'wow, why don't I agree with that, where is MY proof for the way I think?" and it challenges me to go thinking, hunting, researching. The different points of view here can give me a chance to expand what I know, believe etc. So I want to thank those people who do engage in strong discussion, who do bring out good ideas, who do challenge others (and my) thinking.
I know I am in the minority here in that I really really love a good strong discussion
I believe that I have never personally attacked people, and would never intend to attack a person - but ideas and beliefs should be open for discussion
"Never trust a man unless you have his pecker in your pocket."
"Never trust a man unless you have his pecker in your pocket."
That sounds like something J. Edgar Hoover or Roy Cohn would have muttered! ahahahahah
but attacking ideas can make some people feel as if they are being attacked personally.
Knowingly pushing people's buttonsis an interesting one. This means that there are a series of topics that are totally off-limits for discussion. For me not to have MY buttons pushed would mean that no-one could defend the death penalty, private gun ownership, mention any form of military remembrance days, talk about 'the Chinese' as a homogeneous group, 'pop' psych tests, say they liked country and western music and definitely no-one would EVER malign vegemite.
Cheeky, I try really hard not to attack forum members. My post to Hossuru was to let him know that it was possible to disagree with someone (ie. saying "I disagree with you") without attacking that person personally (ie. saying "You are a JERK for your belief.") Only he used stronger words than 'jerk.'
This sounds very Chinese!
Knowingly pushing people's buttons is an interesting one. This means that thereOh yes that's exactly what it means bibibibibi
a series of topics that are totally off-limits for discussion.
We should be able to practice what we preach to our students
This sounds very Chinese! ahahahahah ahahahahah Attack my government = attack me, attack my ideas = attack me. The torch relay was a classic in this line of thinking, as is discussing things like '5000 years of culture'.
but attacking ideas can make some people feel as if they are being attacked personally.
Depends on how you view the Chinese system of thinking. If you think it is a good process, then it's good. If you think it doesn't allow for discussion, analysis, new views, challenges and you believe those things are good, then it is bad. So - it depends.This sounds very Chinese!
that good or bad Lotus?
QuoteAhh.. a nice out of context quote! ahahahahah The next part was the consequences of this - that we all have 'no go areas' and add each of them up - then we have VERY little left that is OK to discuss.
Knowingly pushing people's buttons is an interesting one. This means that there
a series of topics that are totally off-limits for discussion.
Oh yes that's exactly what it means duh
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We should be able to practice what we preach to our students
I'm not your student and I'm not talking to you in person. There is a difference Lotus.
For example. A student may hang on your every word and idea. I just really couldn't give a rat's ass.
And in so doing are part of the process that invents "value." Not just true or false, but valuable and moral. It all does come down to true and false in the end, but valuable and not-valuable are important layers of meaning for comparing truths.And this is where we need the most discussion - because what is valuable and moral for one person (ie Sarah Palin or the Pope) can be dangerous and destructive for other people or countries.
This sounds very Chinese! ahahahahah ahahahahah Attack my government = attack me, attack my ideas = attack me. The torch relay was a classic in this line of thinking, as is discussing things like '5000 years of culture'.
but attacking ideas can make some people feel as if they are being attacked personally.
It's true though. Some people naturally personalise their ideas. And in so doing are part of the process that invents "value." Not just true or false, but valuable and moral. It all does come down to true and false in the end, but valuable and not-valuable are important layers of meaning for comparing truths. If people didn't personalise stuff at least sometimes, would there be anything left to recognise as valuable? Even "true" and "false" are valueless if you don't have some personal relationship to them. The hard-nosed thinkers, the ones who can step back from their emotional involvement in a given issue, aren't really all that hard-nosed--it's just that their strongest emotional investment--truth, or community, or learning, or whatever their hard-nosed thinking is meant finally to aid--isn't directly attacked in common argument.
True CP...but I view this as a form of insecurity. Some people seem to have so little sense of self that the sole thing they have to define themselves are their values and belief systems. Sad, really.
Respect for the person is demonstrated by taking their ideas seriously enough to research, to discuss alternate views.
Dis-respect comes in the name calling, the personal attacks or the feeling/implication that another person is not capable of participating actively in a serious discussion.
Oh EL bibibibibi you have to first join CIS and FBI. Then after a tough training from both sides, you should not consider who pays more but it is a matter of simple patriotism. So eventually you betray CIS to FBI and FBI to KGB. Then you are caught and tortured by all 3 agencies and then they might, just MIGHT consider you passed.
(that only applies to outsiders uuuuuuuuuu)