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I know politics can be a touchy subject, but dammit, I strongly support Palin for President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos
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I know politics can be a touchy subject, but dammit, I strongly support Palin for President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos
I'll vote for this one!!
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Carrier pigeon!
And with any luck, he will allow me to take over John Cleese's role of Minister for Silly Walks.
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OH!! You just reminded me that I got some sort of mail from the election office in California and forgot what I did with it. Guess I'd better go find it if Michael's going to have a shot at the presidency.
I'm not a big Monty Python person (no tomato throwing please), but I'll vote for him based on his travel series. bfbfbfbfbf
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hmm... voting for someone who is anti-abortion but shoots animals for fun or has never had a passport.
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But....if McCain falls, she will become DaPrez aoaoaoaoao
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Hola!
Sarah Palin gives me a hard on too. However, she is an awful candidate.
1.) She has very little experience. She was a mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people. Alaska has only 700,000 people and she has only been at the job for two years.
2.) In Wasilla, Palin tried to have the head librarian fired for refusing to take certain books off the shelves, supposedly Harry Potter books and others. Only after uproar from local citizens, did Palin back down.
3.) Palin left Wasilla with a $20 million dollar deficit. For a town of 7,000 people. How the F did she do that? (In China, people would be executed for that. God Bless China!)
4.) She said that she did not want or support the "Bridge to Nowhere", although she clearly did in the past.
5.) She is very vindictive person who crosses her, see "Troopergate" Wasilla library etc.
6.) Her husband is a member of the Alaskan Independence Party who wants to seperate from the United States, and there is a video of Sarah welcoming them to the AIP convention.
7.) Alaska probably has one of the most corrupt governments of any of the 50 states.
(http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2006/12/Miss%20Wasilla%201984.jpg)
Foxy yes. For V.P., hell no.
Senor
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It's highly likely that McCain will win this election! It's also highly likely, that the Presidency will kill him. Can anyone imagine the world listening to President Palin??? bibibibibi
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sho do sound good what youz said...
but ignorance & blind hatred of the other party should not substitute facts.
most/many people in AK eat what they shoot, it's a part of life there. IF she is one that kills for fun sheda never got votes.
Harry Potter wasn't written yet when she asked the librian a simple question about if it is possible to get any books removed.
AK is less corrupt now than before she came.
& uh.... she Does have a birth certificate she is willing to show.....
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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Ha! It is so nice to click on something about Palin and be able to laugh. I normally just kind of shake my head and sigh.
It's highly likely that McCain will win this election!
No! No no no no no no no no.
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Oh I don't know Mimi...I laugh pretty much every time I read about her. "Hockey mom?" bibibibibi
McCain picked her to get votes from all the ladies who are pissed at Obama for beating Hillary. Surprised he didn't pick Rice for a double whammy.
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McCain picked her to get votes from all the ladies who are pissed at Obama for beating Hillary. Surprised he didn't pick Rice for a double whammy.
Nah, I don't think that was the reason. I don't know an Hillary supporter who wants a woman in the White House so badly that they'll vote for someone who is against abortion, civil rights, protecting the environment, and teaching actual science in schools (didn't you hear? religious doctrine is the new biology) and is for the NRA, death penalty, and keeping healthcare a business. The brilliant thing about the pick is that it scooped up all the fundamentalist Christians who did not feel McCain was conservative enough, socially. Before the pick, the campaigning had been more about the economy, education, and foreign policy. Palin has brought out all the single-issue voters on things like abortion and gay marriage.
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IMO
"The One" ad was brillant & possibly the deal breaker as it hit deep into many subcouncous American beliefs. I think it has hurt Oboma more than anything else, in explainable ways.
This is a very interesting read that IMO is right on the money;
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index.html (http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index.html)
also, McCain & his team Has been very good in their timing for many things.
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I think the great thing about Fraulein Palin is that she has proved Frank Zappa correct, "ladies you can be an asshole too. Don't pretend you ain't got one on the bottom of you." she's pure, buxiban owner levels of unbridled Rove-ian evil. She is far more dangerous than Bush. She's semi-articulate and probably much more sincere in her sinister machinations.
The republicans never fail to dig up the most base of reprobates. Just when you think they found the bottom of the bottom feeders, they manage to find candidates far more sinister than their previous puppet. If there was a hell, I'm sure the GOP have the only key to the sub-basement of the abyss from which they are breeding a new generation of scum.
Was it Virginia SLims that used to advertise, "you've come a long way, baby?" Now we can see the soccer mom goose step! Leave it to the republicans to usher in a new era where yes, Virginia, you too can aspire to become a theocratic vessel of national self destruction!
In the charade of democracy that makes up this two headed dog of presidential politics, my suspicions have come true: white soccer moms are the key to mutually assured social destruction. She's so bat shit crazy she makes Ron Paul seem downright sane, and that is a frightening juxtaposition.
Since the general vote doesn't amount to anything, should the actual power brokers in the electoral college appoint Skeletor and the Soccer Mom the hot seat and red button, I wonder what insult to humanity they will call up to serve old man McCain his grilled cheese sandwiches, Geritol and chocolate pudding in between addressing the press and writing speeches. while the puppet masters divvy up what percentage of armageddon Blackwater and Haliburton can profit from.
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Da Dan, have you forgotten? Popular vote does not count when selecting the dunces who sit in the white house! America is a republic and the electoral college have final say on who is given the spot.
It is indeed a sad state of affairs when one's vote in the Doctor Demento Funny Five is an example of pure democracy in action and that four year brouhaha we have in the "United" States is a mere charade when it comes to the top spots.
While I detest both parties, in my heart, I sincerely hope the electoral college do the right thing and elect the non-theocratic, SANE(r) pair. That would be the charming man and the plagiarist, not Skeletor and the shrill ditz who hopped six colleges in four years and chose to fly from D. C. to Alaska while having gone into labor long before she had to fly.
IF a woman would risk her baby's life for the sake of her political party, then I question if she has the ethics to sacrifice party brown nosing in favor of what is good for the people.
Skeletor has already lived beyond the average life expectancy of the average American male. Should he kick the bucket in office, he's basically handing the keys of the caddy to one of the HEATHERS. If you didn't see that film - HEATHERS - then you won't get the joke.
I'd only vote for her if she was on a list of people to send into the cold, dark recesses of space, never to return. Of course, that includes the old fart who Vetted her: Skeletor McCain, as a fellow passenger too. I'd dig deeper into him, but this is a thread about Palin. Sadly, not Michael.... asasasasas
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.... but this is a thread about Palin. Sadly, not Michael.... asasasasas
Um....actually....it WAS about Michael. Go back and read my OP starting this thread. (HINT: Click on the video link there.)
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I saw the link but didn't click on it. Every time I see her or Skeletor I have difficulty resisting the urge to launch my fist into their faces. I want to keep my monitor, so I didn't risk clicking on it. bibibibibi
Now, MICHAEL Palin: awesome, man. Wish there was more like him on this big blue marble.
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Now, MICHAEL Palin: awesome, man. Wish there was more like him on this big blue marble.
I'm old34. And I approved this message.
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I'm just amused that we finally have VP candidates who add to how interesting the race is instead of being selected based on 2 qualifications only.
a. To secure their home state which otherwise would be a toss up.
b. To be bland, quiet, and boring so that the main candidate NEVER gets upstaged by their own VP candidate.
P.S. McCain is pretty decrepit, but he's not past the average age of an American male. Also, that average age includes those who die as infants and all the usual suicidally stupid teenage behavior. The average 72 year old male in America has a pretty good chance of making it to 80+.
P.P.S. What the heck is it with Republican VPs and hunting? First we've got Cheney the shartshooter, and now McCain wants to make sure that fresh moose is on the White House menu ever week.
P.P.P.S. I am SOOO disappointed Condi Rice openly stated that she didn't even want to be considered. Whoever wins should really think about trying to get her to stay on as Secretary of State.
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P.S. McCain is pretty decrepit, but he's not past the average age of an American male. Also, that average age includes those who die as infants and all the usual suicidally stupid teenage behavior. The average 72 year old male in America has a pretty good chance of making it to 80+.
Skeletor's 73. My father is a far more intelligent, humane man and he's 75. He can't figure out a DVD remote control without weeks of lessons. I don't trust Skeletor with the button. Then there's the big hunk o'Cancer on his cheek and the fact he's changed his Goldwater maverick ways in order to side up with people who deny the scientific facts of evolution - which leads me to suspect he's senile. the guy can't remember how many houses he owns! I wish I was joking, but it's a matter of public record!
Unless McCain has a direct link with the aliens from COCOON I don't want Grandpa Munster near the button. bibibibibi
Woe is me.
P.P.S. What the heck is it with Republican VPs and hunting? First we've got Cheney the shartshooter, and now McCain wants to make sure that fresh moose is on the White House menu ever week.
One is what they eat, I suppose!
P.P.P.S. I am SOOO disappointed Condi Rice openly stated that she didn't even want to be considered. Whoever wins should really think about trying to get her to stay on as Secretary of State.
She was a talented little lair, wasn't she? afafafafaf
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Skeletor's 73. My father is a far more intelligent, humane man and he's 75. He can't figure out a DVD remote control without weeks of lessons...
Has ANYONE ever figured out a DVD remote control and all those buttons? I mean, beyond ON/OFF PLAY PAUSE? C'mon, give your Dad a break!
Oops, I highjacked a thread highjacking my post.
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I'll admit that McCain probably dated Abe Lincoln's daughter and is the largest purchaser of Depends adult diapers in the country, but I'm not going to fault him on the number of houses. His insanely rich wife owns a LOT of investment property, and he doesn't have any reason to personally keep track of how many residential properties are in the portfolio. I'm willing to wager that he knows how many houses she let's him stay in. ahahahahah
Of course, Biden and McCain would make an excellent pair of entries for the Senior Olympics.
Is it to late to get a do-over on the primaries with all new candidates from both parties? bfbfbfbfbf
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Is it to late to get a do-over on the primaries with all new candidates from both parties? bfbfbfbfbf
Let's just rebuild the entire country. bfbfbfbfbf
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Speaking at Alaska's Fort Wainwright on Thursday, where she hailed the combat deployment of her son's Army unit to Iraq as a "righteous cause," Palin explicitly and repeatedly renewed the discredited claim that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was initiated as a necessary and credible response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans," Palin told the departing soldiers.
Palin's assessment directly contradicts that of President Bush and key members of his national security team.
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And on a lighter note, Tina Fey has finally done the inevitable and done a Sarah Palin sketch on SNL....hilarious!!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/fey-palin-character-debuts-on-snl
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Irony:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/rally-vs-rally-do-the-math/
Actual photos from a pro-Palin (or, as I like to call it in real world terms, "Sieg Heil party For Anti-Life, Anti-Freedom Theocratic Terrorist Bimbo Palin") Rally, and an anti_palin (or, as I like to call it in real world terms, "Sane human beings who love freedom, liberty, civil rights and the human race and oppose Soccer Moms of the Third Reich Running Their Country Into Ruination") rally in her her home state, Alaska.
Paints a different picture than what the Skeletor spinsters are saying about Alaska and its supposed affection towards the Psycho Soccer Mom. ahahahahah
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(http://img179.imagevenue.com/loc408/th_62650_mcpalin_122_408lo.jpg) (http://img179.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62650_mcpalin_122_408lo.jpg)
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bkbkbkbkbk ROTFLMAO!!!
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Aww, Spaghetti, you're just pre-angry that the Libs lost another Presidential election :D
Also, it's ironic (or not) that you put Palin in the "Anti-Life" party when it's your party, vis a vis Obama, that voted no on the Born Alive Infant Act. Sickening.
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Aww, Spaghetti, you're just pre-angry that the Libs lost another Presidential election :D
How does one "lose" an "election" where it's a two party system that is decided upon by a few hundred electorates RATHER THAN the actual people?
Also, it's ironic (or not) that you put Palin in the "Anti-Life" party when it's your party, vis a vis Obama, that voted no on the Born Alive Infant Act. Sickening.
You assume it's a life. Sorry, allowing a botched, late term abortion to "live" a life of slow, tortuous, pain and misery for an uncertain length of time is as cruel and malicious as going into pregnancy and holding the baby in and flying all the way from Texas to Alaska just so you can score brownie points for your political party, and try to possibly force a death-in-labor of the baby because it's retarded.
If that doesn't sound familiar then you don't know your Palin.
Anti-life is supporting Christian Jihad (Islamic, as well, but Palin isn't making "insh Allah" platitudes).
Are you going to tell me Obama's a secret muslim now? aoaoaoaoao
For the record, I fully support a woman's right to an abortion. I do not view abortion as murder in any way, shape or form. Life begins when the individual is out of the womb and leaves its parasitic phase and isn't allowed to be a butchered mutant.
Funny how "lib" is supposed to be a bad thing. It's fundamentally retarded to claim someone who is open minded is "bad."
"Liberal" used as a epithet. That's like using, "nice" as an insult, or, "humane" as if it was the worst thing in the world.
Meanwhile, some theo-loonies took over a party where conservative truly lives up to the, "resistant to change," and, "old fashioned" definition, rather than the original, fiscal meaning.
Supporting a McCain/Palin ticket while claiming to love America is semantically the same as being a rabbi in the third reich, in my opinion. bpbpbpbpbp I hope the electoral college have their sanity intact this year. bibibibibi
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I'm gonna put in my two cents worth. I've had abortions. Regard the 's'. And I've brought two fine and brilliant young men into this world at great cost to my body, health, and well being. I'm a biological machine unless I have choice.
Do I mourn the unbirthed? I do. They are with me every hour, every day, every day, every day and every night.
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Thanks, DaDan. Funny. So, now how am I supposed to go to sleep with that song in my head? bibibibibi
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Ever wonder if McCain might have some regrets? ahahahahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxvi0tqpNVE
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My two fen worth, politics aside. This is offtopic of Palin (either one) for president. But I couldn't let this go...
I strongly disagree with this statement: I do not view abortion as murder in any way, shape or form. Life begins when the individual is out of the womb and leaves its parasitic phase
I have felt the little lives kicking around inside my womb. They are more than gas pains. Just recently saw a friend's ultra sound pictures. Little mouth open, hands waving at the world as if to say, "Soon I'll be out there with you, to love you, can't wait to meet you." Call it a 'mother thing' if you want to. Those little munchkins are ALIVE in there.
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You are guaranteed your right to that opinion and practice in NOT getting abortions under the constitution. However, does a theocratic party have a right to enforce their own personal life decision(s) to rob the rights away to others who disagree with such an opinion?
Ruth, I respect your right to believe as you do. I'd fight for you to maintain that right as an individual. However, if you want to deny the rights of others to do have control over their bodies because it disagrees with your own personal beliefs, then I'd have to say I disagree with you, and do not respect someone wanting to rob the rights of others based on their own individual life decisions. For example, I do not support forced abortions, nor do I support the abolishment of an individual's right to an abortion. However, Ms. palin and the party she represents sure seem to want to have control over the hearts, minds and BODIES of American citizens (and the world, too, but that's a bigger can of worms best left for another thread I think).
Bringing this back to Palin: she is part of a party that embraces, wholesale, their way of life as a moral bar that is generously used to pry into the lives of individual, law abiding citizens that do not prescribe to her views of morality. This bar is then used to bludgeon the rights away of anyone who uses their constitutional rights to not live by that bar.
Knock boots with a person of the same sex? You are not only not allowed that right through vaguely worded sodomy laws that Palin's cronies, Repugnicants, like to drudge up 'cause they claim some dead guy from the middle east who got slung up on a cross supposedly told twelve of his same sex buddies that his supposed "father" didn't like people of the same sex shackin' up.
So, that belief is then sued to not only invade the bedrooms of consenting adults in a private room, but to prevent them from having the basic human and legal rights of people of different genders shacking up for tax cuts and estate rights, 'cause that same long-dead dude that got strung up on some planks of wood by some brutal authoritarians supposedly told his merry band of followers who then told their story to many people before someone supposedly wrote down these edicts.
So, rather than practice their right to inter-gender mingling as the yhave inalienable rights to do, they want to deny the same rights to people who play in their own gender pool. Rather than PROTECT Life rights, they want to prevent them.
"Pro life," eh?
Then there's the much abused supposed right to stockpile firearms. Somehow Ms. Palin and her party (to which she has proved so loyal she risked killing her "unborn" retarded baby by flying from a repugnicant convention in Texas to Alaska, sticking around to deliver a speech as her water broke than in you know, doing the responsible mother thing and get to a hospital to greet her child into this cruel and unusual, and equally sad and beautiful world) seem to feel that the right to LIVE one's life without getting a bullet in their back is less important than being able to stockpile weapons of mass destruction in people's homes well beyond what our forefathers had when they drafted the constitution in hopes of protecting basic rights to all citizens.
You know, owning automatic weapons (which is a goal of the NRA) is far more important than kids being able to go to high school without the fear of being shot by social malcontents, or individuals being able to go to work without wondering if a disgruntled employee will come in one day and knock them and their coworkers off in a mentally ill rage.
Sure, they will claim that it's illegal weapons purchased underground, etc. The same old horse shit, but the statistics don't lie: the overwhelming majority of hand guns used to commit murder are legally purchased, over the counter.
So much for "right to life."
Then there's abortion. Nobody's taking away the right of anyone who doesn't want to terminate their pregnancy. America is not China, and constitutionally it never will be, respective of the right for an individual to keep their pregnancy to full term.
However, Palin and her party sure do like to deny the right to disagree to rape victims, women carrying babies they cannot support once born, birth defects that burden the baby and family (with regards to medical care, which Palin and her party sure want to deny as a basic human right to all citizens, further keeping the United States the only industrialized nation to not provide basic health care coverage to its citizens as a birth right - how's that for for "pro-life"!).
There is something nefariously totolitarian in how the religious right, of which Palin is a serious member of and her entire choice as V. P. was meant to represent, would rather enforce their morality and use it to deny rights and actually be pro-death*, than to be honest and fess up that nobody is trampling on their way of life, but they sure do love trampling on anyone's life that doesn't tow their line.
*far more often than the people that they claim to be "anti-life" by virtue of the religious right claiming they are "pro-life"; a dubious claim at best, especially in regards to denying health care to all citizens, denying abortion rights to those who want them, denying the right to live in a society where gun control, not GUN BANISHMENT, ensures that we can both defend ourselves when the Births decide to invade again [ ahahahahah ] and that our citizens can live without the fear of being shot dead going to work, to school, or the latest kill zone of preference: Shopping malls!
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I have nothing to say on abortion that you all haven't heard a thousand times.
But I'd like to correct one thing Spaghetti said: NOWHERE in the New Testament is there are reference to homosexuality. J.C. never addressed the issue.
I agree with Spag's assessment of Palin: she was brought on to secure the religious right, while not alienating the swing voters. The Soccer Mom angle is brilliant.
It remains to be seen whether the public will like her. The Democrats have to scuff her fluffy bunny veneer, and expose her nastier side. Mao knows they're trying now.
Meanwhle, from my standpoint McCain's looking better and better. He's making a balanced budget a priority, the single most important economic task America is faced with: wealth will bleed away for as long as the debt deepens. I hope Obama points out that Democrat presidents are the only ones who have delivered a surplus in over 40 years, and pledges to do it again.
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Con, you do realize I was using creative license in portraying**** what Palin and her party believe.
While I think homosexuality is an extreme case of harmless, psychosexual narcissism, I have absolutely no beef with homosexuals and will fight for their right to knock boots and get married. I think it's a fundamental human right. Ms. palin and her constituency, however. Well, let's just say "homophobic" is far too polite a word to describe their opinions on homosexuality. If asked, I am pretty sure most of them attribute their near genocidal hatred of homosexuals* to teachings** in the bible.
***Admittedly a rather poor attempt. I'm not Mort Sahl, though I'd like to be.
*or as they would call it, "love of Christ,"
** I use "teaching" as a formality. I find "religious education" to be an oxymoron.
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While I think homosexuality is an extreme case of harmless, psychosexual narcissism,
Not psychosexual narcissism when researchers are finding more and more genetic markers for homosexuality. Just another variation in the infinite wonder of the construction of the human being.
Therefore if you believe in a deity - homosexuality is another of his/her wonderful creations.
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Spag, you're more Liberal on this than I am. I might tolerate the marriage thing, but I wouldn't do any fighting for it...
Therefore if you believe in a deity - homosexuality is another of his/her wonderful creations.
Depends upon how much credence you place upon the various texts ascribed to the various deities; many of these are pretty blunt on this issue...and they's pretty much agin' it.
I'm in the "psychosexual narcissism" (at best) camp.
And no, I'm not homophobic. I don't fear it.
I AM homonausaic. I find it utterly repulsive.
If anyone wants to find me "unenlightened" or some such because of this, I'm cool with that. I couldn't possibly care any less.
I am also a "Yellow Dog Democrat"..."I'd rather vote for a yellow dog than a Republican". But I'm not in any way politically influenced by this particular issue, which is pretty low on my public-policy totem pole.
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I find gay marriage pretty stupid...but I find straight marriage equally as stupid. Like Raoul, it is pretty low on my list of issues, but I am vehently opposed to any policy dictated on religious grounds. Whatever happened to seperation of church and state?
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Credence placed on anything is what faith is about - in political parties, in religions, in 'lerve', etc etc.
Unfortunately reason (and real science) doesn't get much of a look in in these types of arguments. People respond to politicians from their own prejudices - and even though I have no vested interests in who is VP (ain't my country!), Sarah Palin sets my alarm bells ringing.
Give me Michael any day!!
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I still find homosexuality to be a harmless, extreme form of narcissism. and Scientific findings suggesting it as being genetic can only explain the reason for the narcissism I perceive in homosexuals.
I view things in simple terms when it comes to civil liberties. If they take it away from consenting adults of the same sex, who is to say the government that does that can't dictate what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own bedroom? What forms of contraception you are legally allowed to obtain (if any)? Who of the opposite gender are you allowed to shack up with? What race?
And so on.
The buck stops at all or nothing. If you take it away from homosexuals you open a pandora's box that can and will trample other rights. When it comes to Skeletor and Palin, they now embrace a party and "values" that want to tell you how to live your life, how to live it, and what you can and cannot do, even if it is harmless and legal in many developed nations with stronger democratic processes. They make it an issue.
I don't find homosexuality nauseous. I am a mature, jaded individual. Men kissing men or women kissing women doesn't shock me. Frankly, I just don't care. Big deal. It's their business, not mine. Murder and assault is much more troubling. Stuff sites like ogrish highlight is far more distressing.
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I don't get the link between being gay and being a narcissist. But we're splitting hairs.
I get the idea that this Palin woman is kind of a thug. And I can't abide politicians who are fiscally sloppy. Republicans are bad with money.
... On the other hand, balancing the budget is one of the top items of McCain's agenda.
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I don't get the link between being gay and being a narcissist. But we're splitting hairs.
I see it as an extreme manifestation of "love of self." The inability to be attracted to, and emotionally and physically satisfied by that which is different from one's self. My encounters with homosexuals and lesbians also lead me to believe they are some of the most conservative people I've met. I view conservatism as an extension of narcissism as well. Fear of change is fear of that which does not resembles one's self. It is another extreme case of narcissism, but a damaging one, as opposed to harmless (homosexuality). I don't care if anyone agrees, but that is the logic I see.
I get the idea that this Palin woman is kind of a thug. And I can't abide politicians who are fiscally sloppy. Republicans are bad with money.
The great myth and tremendous irony is that cheerleaders like to claim republicans are supposed to be fiscally astute. bibibibibi
... On the other hand, balancing the budget is one of the top items of McCain's agenda.
That's why he had Phil Graham on his team: the same guy who helped make sure the chains were off the doors so AIG, Merill-Lynch, etc. could run themselves into ruination. ahahahahah
McCain is a dupe. Palin is a thug. If the electorate hand them the white house then America is irrevocably fucked.
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...I'd like to correct one thing Spaghetti said: NOWHERE in the New Testament is there are reference to homosexuality. J.C. never addressed the issue.
Not sure which Bible you're talking about, but the Christian one does in fact mention [read: condemn] homosexuality:
Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)
"26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."
<The rest of this was way, way out of line and has been blasted into non-existence. -R>
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...I'd like to correct one thing Spaghetti said: NOWHERE in the New Testament is there are reference to homosexuality. J.C. never addressed the issue.
Not sure which Bible you're talking about, but the Christian one does in fact mention [read: condemn] homosexuality:
Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)
"26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
That's one of the problems with most Bibles (and a BUNCH of Sunday School teachers) - they don't do enough to differentiate between what JC actually said and things written by later followers. I'm always amazed at some people who claim to be Bible-following Christians who give equal (often greater!?!) weight to phrases selected (sometimes randomly, sometimes out of context) from a long running advice column written by Paul and a few chapters by a handful of others. Overall, I think Christianity as a whole would have been better off if Paul had written a LOT less.
I'd have to do some digging, but I can't recall any direct quotes from Jesus regarding homosexuality (and a bunch of other issues that He's often given blame/credit for).
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I don't think the people who quote these lines are saying that Jesus said them, they quote the lines from all over the Bible, claiming that they come from God via the authors - Paul etc. They also conveniently leave out all the bits that they figure don't apply today or to them - women wearing trousers, the wearing of mixed fabrics etc etc. Any group of people will selectively use what suits them best in their presentation of their ideas.
<Remainder clipped. No fault here but getting rid of a sub-thread that we definitely don't want here... -R>
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Sweet Jeezus...can we not have a single day here that's not fraught with drama any more?
Disagreement is fine. Even anger can be acceptable. Channeling those things into personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Lighten the f@#k up.
Let's lock this one down a while and see if cooler heads can steer it back on track later.
I'll leave you with one in the "If you have to ask, you probably don't want to know" category...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/RaoulSaloon/Saloonies/mcmilf.jpg)
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OK...with the hothead no longer a problem, let's try this again.
It's a thread about your choice of PALIN, right? llllllllll
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It's a thread about your choice of PALIN, right? llllllllll
Right! I got my absentee California ballot and I'm writing Michael Palin in immediately. bfbfbfbfbf
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Who is Michael Palin???
Comment made today by another teacher "She is taking all the heat and nobody is paying (negative) attention to McCain! Keeping the heat away from him is to his benefit! llllllllll
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DS Michael Palin is one of the Monty Python team, and now has a fantastic job making television travelogues in interesting parts of the world. They are worth buying/downloading/stealing!! He is a classic - and would make a better Prez than McCain, Bush and Sarah all rolled up together.
Look for Flying Circus, Life of Brian, Search for the Holy Grail, plus Pole to Pole, Himalayas, Sahara and others.
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Eric Idle* for ambassador to China. He actually can speak mandarin**.
*he's been an 'merican citizen for a while now
** beyond "I Like Chinese"
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Who is Michael Palin???
Go back to the very first post in this whole thread.
Click the link.
Watch the video.
That's Michael Palin.
That's the original subject of this thread.
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Eric Idle* for ambassador to China. He actually can speak mandarin**.
So can Da Shan, but I don't hear any of our Canuckastani Saloonies calling for him to be their ambassador.
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That's because he is not quite as smart as Palin!
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Da Shan had his moment of representing Canada during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics. That's all he gets.
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Mark Roswell has contributed nothing to the planet. Eric Idle, on the other hand, has brought joy tom any generations of earthlings, over many cultures and continents. Roswell tried his hand at Chinese style comedy and while he impressed locals with his timing and pronunciation, not one local has ever called him funny, as in hilarious. He's no Zhao Benshan. ON the other hand, Idle could rest on his Python laurels and wipe the floor with Da bien-shan in terms of multi-cultural and multi-generational influence and significance. That's 1/4th of what has made both men famous in their respective circles. After the 80s era stand up bits, what is left for Roswell? Commercials and a "learning Chinese" TV show that has never once actually made a foreigner one bit closer to mastering Chinese.
Idle, on the other hand, has The Ruttles, plus a sizable amount of pre and post Python work that towers above the Canadian canard of Olympic brown nosery.
Then there's ethics. Idle's never been implicated in embezzling tax payer's money for foreign tv productions in his homelands (by birth and adoption). IS there even an ever growing undercurrent of anti-Idle sentiment on this planet? I wonder.
In summation, to bring up Mr. Roswell in comparison to Mr. Idle is similar to putting lipstick on a pig bibibibibi
Now we are full circle with the dueling Palins! ahahahahah
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How the rest of the world would vote.......
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/thanks (http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/thanks)
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Commercials and a "learning Chinese" TV show that has never once actually made a foreigner one bit closer to mastering Chinese.
Do you mean I should quit watching him every day on CCTV9? bibibibibi
In summation, to bring up Mr. Roswell in comparison to Mr. Idle is similar to putting lipstick on a pig bibibibibi
What shade of lipstick and which pig? ahahahahah
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Do you mean I should quit watching him every day on CCTV9? bibibibibi
Sure, why not. I mean, assuming you are in China, why go with one of the most poorly organized foreign language education television programs in Asia when you can have actual, practical, well organized (by yourself) Chinese lessons from actual Chinese, minus the annoying, snarky, smugly self satisfied Canadian geek? ahahahahah
What shade of lipstick and which pig? ahahahahah
Um, purple, and Porky? uuuuuuuuuu
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When I was in China, my students would occasionally decide it was time for me to learn some Chinese. For some reason, they tried to focus on extremely useful words that are come up in conversation all the time. Words like "shrubbery". llllllllll
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well, you know, we have a "Bush" in the white house, and well, he lives up to that name in terms of eloquence. ahahahahah
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As amusing as El Presidente can be, I always wanted to learn vocabulary that was more useful for day to day conversations.
Anyone know how to say MILF in Chinese? uuuuuuuuuu
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Um, "Wo yao gao mama/MuQin," is pretty childlike in its grammar, but it's, "I want Screw Mom/Mother." Don't ask me about the pinyin tonal markers. My pinyin's shit.
Of things Palin and Humor, I did a spit take when I was sent this:
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I think Ms. Palin has followed Michael into the realm of comedy today.
In the VP debates that just wrapped, Ms. Palin pronounced NUCLEAR as "Nuk-u-lur" over 10 times. I stopped counting at ten. She'd have made Homer J. Simpson proud, and I'm sure G. W. Bush felt he could enter his house, justified.
Of course, she also bragged about being the daughter of educators. Someone coached her on how to pronounce the president of Iran's name correctly, but failed to inform her on the pronunciation of nuclear. 6 colleges in 4 years* also didn't help her. :th_b:
Either she has seen the film Fargo one too many times, or her parents were poor teachers, because she had a limited vocabulary that bordered on monosyllabic.
I believe she invented a word, with "bosniak," when referring to Bosnians. bibibibibi
She also posited the notion that Alaska is "the heartland," of America, and how Wasilla goes, so goes the nation. dddddddddd
I guess having a handful of kids, all white, makes you "diverse," because she referred to her family as a "diverse" family. She did it nearly as much as she tossed around the word, "maverick" to "nuk-u-lur" levels of hilarity.
I don't recall if she ever actually answered any of the questions the moderator asked her. It's hard to tell, since she cannot string together coherent thoughts. My mind would wander after she got into really bizarre double-iteration, like, "I never compromised on anything, because we always found a way to come to an agreement on both sides to get something passed," "Future events such as these will affect you in the future," AND, "I'm just so encouraged that we both love Israel, I'm just so encouraged by that."
There was comedy gold in these gems:
"John McCain knows what evil is."
"John McCain Knows How To Win a War" - he was a POW in Vietnam; A WAR WE "LOST". bibibibibi
"John McCain is the only one who has fought for you!" llllllllll
It was as hilarious as it was disturbing.
* or was it 4 colleges in six years? I forget. Either way: she's a tool. Dean Wormer gave her a "zero point Zero" a few times, I guess.
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ya know...
I have a friend that used to go on & on about how gay men were so bad... seemed he really he hated them.
years later, he finally admitted to himself the truth, divorced his wife & moved in with a nice man he used to rant on & on about...
is "Palinaphobe" a word?
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Seems it wasn't a total annihilation though - pollsters have her scoring in the 40% range, so she got some points awarded to her. And when have people ever been too bothered about intelligent comments from their leaders??
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Seems it wasn't a total annihilation though - pollsters have her scoring in the 40% range, so she got some points awarded to her. And when have people ever been too bothered about intelligent comments from their leaders??
Lotus, keep in mind that over 50% of America denies the scientific facts behind evolution. Having heard the speech, Palin did not answer a single question levied towards her. Biden did. Palin sounded retarded. Literally retarded. She was on par with G. W. Bush in her levels of stupidity.
To further illustrate the decline of American logic, people are celebrating Palin not making a complete ass of herself and measure that as a GOOD THING. Not points made. Not retorts making sense. Not if she made her candidate look more electable. You know: things that the debate is supposed to be about! afafafafaf
I notcied this especially with the foreign press. Sky News, TV France and the BBC were tossing credibility out the window in their effusive analysis of Palin's ability to actually, mostly, complete sentences. ahahahahah
Nearly all failed to actually mention what she said, beyond the multitudeo f forced, "you betcha," and "mainstream," and, "main street," and other silliness, like saying she was 'middle class." Three million bucks a year to render a 1 million U. S. dolalr net income yearly does not make a person middle class last i checked. kkkkkkkkkk
Of course, people need not take my word for it: if anyone has the time to spare and wants a good laugh* then go and watch orlisten to the debate. I'm sure its still online. You may find yourself wondering if it was an hour of outtakes from the movie Fargo. :banana:
*as the American empire continues to crumble,
is "Palinaphobe" a word?
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DaDan, are you saying your friend is a Palinaphobe? Usually "phobe" implies a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with being against another poorly educated puppet in the white house.
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I think y'all need to go back to your corners, take a deep [breath/hit/slug] zzzzzzzzzz iiiiiiiiii :alcoholic: of your intoxicant(s) of choice, reflect on the original topic in this thread, and then sit back, relax and enjoy THE Palin's website here:
http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/ (http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/)
Then, after the timeout, please start your own threads screeching to your own choirs about that other Palin.
Extra Credit for clicking through to Michael Palin's website... he does mention the new Palin somewhere there. You'll have to find it, though.
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http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/ (http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/)
Clicked. And later I found myself still reading the China section of his 80 Days book. On the train to Shanghai:
Our latest estimate of arrival is four hours late in Shanghai. Mr Xie can see I want to be left alone, so he slides up to me. 'What are you thinking, Mr Mike?'
Last night I gave him Travellers by Ruth Prawer Jhabwala and Graham Greene's Ways of Escape. He was absolutely delighted and has probably read them already. But I haven't enough stamina for a literary discussion and I mime exhaustion so effectively that he nods understandingly, like a hospital visitor, and settles down to watch me.
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http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/ (http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/)
Clicked. And later I found myself still reading the China section of his 80 Days book. On the train to Shanghai:
Right. And this is (Michael) Palin's recent stuff. Post-post-post Monty Python.
Which is why he'd make a good 44. If only....
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I;m nor sure how bad it is in other English speaking countries, but I'd estimate that at least 75% of Americans say nu-ku-lar, whether referring to weapons or power plants. llllllllll
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Yes, the majority of American English speakers I have heard use that strange pronunciation - even though American dictionaries have it correct phonetically. And they also cannot spell/pronounce aluminium correctly either! axaxaxaxax axaxaxaxax
I am sure Michael Palin would have noted this somewhere on his travels in the US.
(See I can keep on topic!) :wtf:
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Yes, the majority of American English speakers I have heard use that strange pronunciation - even though American dictionaries have it correct phonetically.
Has anyone besides me had the fun of explaining to Chinese people that "nuking" something can refer either to using WMD to level cities or to microwaving food? ababababab
And they also cannot spell/pronounce aluminium correctly either!
Maybe if other English speakers could learn to spell aluminum correctly, they might someday (with some proper linguistic therapy) be able to use the proper pronunciation.
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It's late, I'm ill and need some meds. I leave it to the next poster to try to steer this back on topic.
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I'm pretty sure Michael Palin is from one of those phonetically challenged countries that mispronounce aluminum.
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As Michael Palin - being so much more erudite than the other Palin - would so eloquently say
The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which British chemist and inventor Humphry Davy employed in 1808 ... By 1812, Davy had settled on aluminum. ....Americans adopted -ium to fit the standard form of the periodic table of elements, for most of the nineteenth century, with aluminium appearing in Webster's Dictionary of 1828. In 1892, however, Charles Martin Hall used the -um spelling in an advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents[23] he filed between 1886 and 1903.... It has been suggested that the spelling on the flier was a mistake....The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, with aluminum seen as a minor US/Canadian variant
If the British invented it - then the word should be used their way!
It's easy to keep on topic!! ahahahahah ahahahahah ahahahahah bfbfbfbfbf bfbfbfbfbf bfbfbfbfbf
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I've lived on the east coast, west coast, mid west, and the gulf coast, and have traveled to ten countries and met many Americans of various genders and races and economic backgrounds, with various levels of education, and a great number abroad as well, and in my 40 years never have I heard "nuk-u-lar" ever come out of their mouths. The only times I've heard it came at the following points in my miserable life:
1.) When I was first learning the word as a child. It came Out of my own mouth as I was trying to wrap my tiny head around the new vocabulary. The same can be said regarding some classmates at the time. Our Minnesota born and bred teacher, who did speak a little funny, set us right on "NUCLEAR," rather than "Nuk-u-lar."
2.) Out of the cartoon mouth of Homer J. Simpson.
3.) Out of the fleshy cartoon mouth of G. W. Bush.
4.) Out of the big fat mouth of Sarah the Baracuda.
I'm sure there is something like a 15% misuse of the word amongst my fellow Americans. If anyone cares to finance the research, I bet I could prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt. afafafafaf
However, someone is making me wonder just how many Americans they claimed to have met when they claim the majority of them say, "nuk-u-lar.' kkkkkkkkkk
I've yet to meet an American in China who said, "Nuk-u-lar" as opposed to "nuclear." Perhaps they can enlighten me where this tribe of "nuk-u-lar" primates lurk so I can call up Werner Herzog Fimlproduktion and get a documentary going. afafafafaf
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so what I'm reading is...
if I had a queen I'd be ably to unmisspell those words And also pronounce then correctly along with the rest of my countries people?
all these years I thought it was because I'm lazy...
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I'm sure there is something like a 15% misuse of the word amongst my fellow Americans. If anyone cares to finance the research, I bet I could prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt. afafafafaf
However, someone is making me wonder just how many Americans they claimed to have met when they claim the majority of them say, "nuk-u-lar.' kkkkkkkkkk
I've yet to meet an American in China who said, "Nuk-u-lar" as opposed to "nuclear." Perhaps they can enlighten me where this tribe of "nuk-u-lar" primates lurk so I can call up Werner Herzog Fimlproduktion and get a documentary going. afafafafaf
You should really come spend some time out in the boonies of Florida, Arizona, and Tennessee. Even a lot of the college students I've met (thank God, not any of the science majors) say it that way.
I also had to spend some serious time with my middle school science classes explaining that just because El Presidente has the football, that doesn't make his mis-pronunciation correct. llllllllll
It could be worse. The locals in Plant City (not far from Tampa) pronounce the name of the town as Play-ant Ceety.
Call the film production company and I'll take them on a tour. Just tell them to be ready to run away if they start hearing dueling banjoes or any references to squealing like pigs. ahahahahah
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As Michael Palin - being so much more erudite than the other Palin - would so eloquently say The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which British chemist and inventor Humphry Davy employed in 1808 ... By 1812, Davy had settled on aluminum. ....Americans adopted -ium to fit the standard form of the periodic table of elements, for most of the nineteenth century, with aluminium appearing in Webster's Dictionary of 1828. In 1892, however, Charles Martin Hall used the -um spelling in an advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents[23] he filed between 1886 and 1903.... It has been suggested that the spelling on the flier was a mistake....The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, with aluminum seen as a minor US/Canadian variant
If the British invented it - then the word should be used their way!
It's easy to keep on topic!! ahahahahah ahahahahah ahahahahah bfbfbfbfbf bfbfbfbfbf bfbfbfbfbf
OK, when faced with such overwhelming and indisputable evidence, I'll have to concede the point bring in my own scientific expert to absolutely prove my point.
Adam Savage, of Mythbusters said it best:
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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Actually, I think politicians of both parties use this method all the time. ahahahahah
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Adam Savage, of Mythbusters said it best:
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
axaxaxaxax axaxaxaxax axaxaxaxax
Actually, I think politicians of both parties use this method all the time. ahahahahah
Only too true!!