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Title: Changed `dinit?
Post by: DaDan on February 15, 2009, 06:03:18 AM: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the Obama Website

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

Sunlight Before Signing:
Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

Shine Light on Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending:
Obama's Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act will shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.
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Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Stil on February 15, 2009, 06:08:40 AM: I guess there will be a hell of a lot of emergencies
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Raoul F. Duke on February 15, 2009, 11:37:11 AM: Quote from: DaDan on February 15, 2009, 06:03:18 AM
shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.

Actually, I'm deeply heartened and impressed by this one. It's DECADES overdue. bfbfbfbfbf
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Con ate dog on February 16, 2009, 04:58:49 AM: Ditto. I'm surprised they don't already.

I'm starting to have second thoughts about these stimulus packages. Will they help much? Is it worth the years of hardship it will take to pay off the tab?
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: DaDan on February 16, 2009, 06:25:21 AM: ythe first one Bush put out hasn't seemed to help the general public &/or economy...
(if we even knew where the money went) llllllllll

Obamas... well..
Once we/they see what is in it, we'll possibly have higher hopes for it being much help...
but I believe the fine folks that voted it in are only now beginning to read it & find out the bulk of what it holds... bibibibibi
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Raoul F. Duke on February 16, 2009, 01:30:10 PM: Ah...but the Bush stimulus was near-entirely tax breaks. It stimulated the economies of the wealthy no end, but otherwise....when it was enacted the US had a large surplus; a few years later we were in the bqbqbqbqbq . I think it's hard to compare what Bush did with what Obama wants.

We elected Obama to make changes and do things differently. Maybe we oughtta give him the chance to do that? I'm pretty sickened by this Republican-led countercharge already... aaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: decurso on February 16, 2009, 02:26:45 PM: The Obama stimulus plan is so obvious that it's a real mystery thay nobody thought of it years ago. For years the US has lagged behind other countries in terms of broadband infrastructure and telecommunications. By pumping billions into developing these areas, thousands of new jobs will be created. Makes a lot more sense than the Republican logic of giving people tax breaks to get them to spend money.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: DaDan on February 16, 2009, 02:41:31 PM: I meant the recent Bush stimulus package a few weeks back that mostly dissapeared to untracable places with little visable if any actual stimulatin...

I wasn't counterchargen...
& I Do like a lot of things I'm seeing unfold from Oboma...
but I can't say I'm happy bout how Obomas bill was so quickly pushed to pass without even really being read through, considern how much money it represents.
Sure, plenty good projects in this bill... but also Plenty pork with it, IMO.

Personally, I'da prefered to let the chips fall & made beds be slept in, crooked & poorly ran corporations close down, U.S. take the loss & let capatization allow the strong &/or new breed of corps take over.

I'm wit con, `not so sure either stimulus bills will actually help the economy in the long run.
I be thinkin both recent stimulie only prolongs the inevitable.

tis one beeg amount of money signed off on the past few months by the gov,
`a Truely Unimaginable amout for my mind.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: MissMotz on February 16, 2009, 02:46:01 PM: and of course cos the US has a 'stimulus' package ...... welcome Australia's version, which IMO coulda been spent waaaay more effectivley by not handing out money left right and centre but actually creating a job or two ...BUT what Obama can Kev07 wants to do better (in his dreams).

However at least something is being done I guess. Just wish the greedy top dogs who caused all this shit weren't raking in the millions!
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: George on February 17, 2009, 01:35:51 AM: Quote
Just wish the greedy top dogs who caused all this shit weren't raking in the millions!
And therein lies the major flaw...in any plan. These bastards in Banks, stocks, housing, etc, weren't producing anything! They were buying, selling mythical profits. Nothing based on reality. To let them continue to do the same thing is criminal. Give them handouts, and they pay "bonuses", without, again, creating anything!
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: synthette58 on February 17, 2009, 01:55:51 AM: Quote from: decurso on February 16, 2009, 02:26:45 PM
The Obama stimulus plan is so obvious that it's a real mystery thay nobody thought of it years ago. For years the US has lagged behind other countries in terms of broadband infrastructure and telecommunications. By pumping billions into developing these areas, thousands of new jobs will be created. Makes a lot more sense than the Republican logic of giving people tax breaks to get them to spend money.

Everything is "obvious" to those who have eyes enlightened enough to see just what's being pulled over them.

Telecom??........oh pu-leeze........it's all routed via Bangalore and Hyderabad. I sincerely doubt in the existence of any 'physical' servers on the North American continent anymore. 5c/hour is a tough tender to beat. Yup, I've got friends even in Trivandrum making less, and thankful for it.
Yay, thousands of jobs WILL be created, but not in the good old US of A or its Northern cousin.

For a huge exposition and demonstration of "market forces" and the economy, one needs look no further than the Walmart explosion/exploitation (and 'Tesco' in the UK).
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on February 17, 2009, 09:25:10 PM: Perhaps some stimulus can be put into making :wtf: Soylent Green. Maybe it's time to make that a reality.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: mlaeux on February 24, 2009, 11:58:17 AM: Soylent green...ewwwww!
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: snoopaloop on March 02, 2009, 06:37:29 PM: Quote from: synthette58 on February 17, 2009, 01:55:51 AM
Quote from: decurso on February 16, 2009, 02:26:45 PM
The Obama stimulus plan is so obvious that it's a real mystery thay nobody thought of it years ago. For years the US has lagged behind other countries in terms of broadband infrastructure and telecommunications. By pumping billions into developing these areas, thousands of new jobs will be created. Makes a lot more sense than the Republican logic of giving people tax breaks to get them to spend money.

Everything is "obvious" to those who have eyes enlightened enough to see just what's being pulled over them.

Telecom??........oh pu-leeze........it's all routed via Bangalore and Hyderabad. I sincerely doubt in the existence of any 'physical' servers on the North American continent anymore. 5c/hour is a tough tender to beat. Yup, I've got friends even in Trivandrum making less, and thankful for it.
Yay, thousands of jobs WILL be created, but not in the good old US of A or its Northern cousin.

For a huge exposition and demonstration of "market forces" and the economy, one needs look no further than the Walmart explosion/exploitation (and 'Tesco' in the UK).

Most of the Internet backbone is in the US. Do a fun little trick. Do a traceroute on a website anywhere in the world and you'll notice it's routed through DNS servers in the US. (sorry for the tech speak). A Domain Name Server maps names (ie. google.com) to IP addresses (192.168.1.1). So yeah, building up the infrastructure will make jobs in the US.

So, what I mean to say is that what you are talking about with India are IT services vs. IT infrastructure, which is what Obama's plan is meant to build up. So you have the people on the ground physically installing the fiber and the facilities to maintain the new/upgraded infrastructure. Not to mention the fact that the US IT infrastructure is the same as the US powergrid, a big frackin' mess.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Lotus Eater on March 02, 2009, 06:53:56 PM: The Obama package is also designed to pull out-sourcing back to the US. Indian friend of mine tells me that thousands of jobs will be lost in India and that the Indian gov't response is to lower wages in order to keep people in work.

Flow-on effects.

Who stands to lose the most, who has the least capacity to handle the losses, who bears teh brunt of poor western decision making?

Western countries are cutting back on aid to the poorest countries, humanitarian organisations are suffering from lack of funding and donations...

Where is a GOOD magic wand???
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: snoopaloop on March 03, 2009, 02:59:48 AM: Quote from: Lotus Eater on March 02, 2009, 06:53:56 PM

Where is a GOOD magic wand???

Stuck up someone's butt, I do believe bibibibibi
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Con ate dog on March 04, 2009, 12:39:17 AM: Hey, I'll wash it off after. And mind your own business.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 04, 2009, 01:46:19 AM: Something that has changed is the conservative, ahem, republican party.

Am I having an Adult Swim influenced dream, or did the Conservatives hold a rally that featured a 10 year old who had written a book about "conservatism"*, and a bloated, openly racist, homophobic, unfunny former welfare leech, impotent drug addict whose substance abuse done made him deaf**, multi-divorcee who would send his illegal alien domestic help out to score him opiates; the one prone to all-expenses paid sex tourism vacations to the Dominican Republic as their keynote speaker**????

Obama truly is change I can believe in! The emperors clearly have no clothes now. God bless America. God bless Obama. He even got the conservative party to come out of their closet.

*Now, I know it's a political faction that wanted a senile old man and mentally retarded woman for their president and veep, but is it really that difficult to realize that a child under 13 barely has the education, not to mention the life experiences to even comprehend conservatism? I know American "conservatives," are not actually conservative and are little more theocratic fascists not that far removed from Islamic fundamentalists, but having a child outline what it means to be a conservative? Are they just kitchen sinking their agenda now? Is this an Onion parody come to life? Where's the laugh track? Can somebody wake me up once the dream gets boring and the laughs turn to outright horror?

*Rush Limbaugh: a seditious bastard who has openly proclaimed he hopes the president fails to save his country, and possibly good chunks of the western world, to his self-proclaimed 20 million listeners, though the actual radio stats like Arbitron show he barely draws 12 million listeners nationally and he has to give his show away for free to most of the smaller market AM stations across America, complete with prepackaged advertising.

Change has happened in America, and it's WEIRD. aoaoaoaoao
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: George on March 04, 2009, 01:55:09 AM: Here's some one else that thinks like you, Spag....
http://www.bartcop.com/ (http://www.bartcop.com/)
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 04, 2009, 01:41:09 PM: Oi! Funny stuff, but I see things are even weirder than I realized! bibibibibi
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: A-Train on March 04, 2009, 03:54:20 PM: "I'm starting to have second thoughts about these stimulus packages. Will they help much? Is it worth the years of hardship it will take to pay off the tab?"

I'd say "Yes, if it's big enough". Otherwise they're just pissing at a tsunami. And the steepness and depth of this recession has surprised everyone so much that the government almost can't help but be behind the curve and come in too low with the medicinal dose. No one knows how big is "big" right now.

I'm a strong believer in Keynesian Economics which, if done properly, would mean that we would have had surpluses in place during the recent boom to pay for the stimulus during the current bust. But the piss-ant Republicans have insisted on running defecits in their effort to "starve the beast" into such a feeble state that it can't do anything, (except produce mass weaponry of course).
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: A-Train on March 04, 2009, 04:00:09 PM: "I meant the recent Bush stimulus package a few weeks back that mostly dissapeared to untracable places with little visable if any actual stimulatin..."

That was TARP which was not a stimulus but rather a cash injection for the lenders. The proponents will just say that things would have been worse had we NOT done it. The other side says it was a socialization of the lending risks while we continue to privatize the gains. God help us...(no offense Spaghetti). Whenever I hear the phrase "it's too big to fail", I know we've done something fundamentally wrong and have been doing so for decades.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: A-Train on March 04, 2009, 04:12:29 PM: "Am I having an Adult Swim influenced dream, or did the Conservatives hold a rally that featured a 10 year old..."

You should be ecstatic...I know I am. If this is the best response the Right can muster than Obama has clear sailing until the next election. And if Palin is heir apparent, he will beat her like a rented mule. The best hope the GOP, (George Orwell Party), supposedly has is Bobby Jindal. His speach looked like Andy Hardy attempting to channel Winston Churchill. These would be salad days for the Left if Bush hadn't left behind such a sh!t sandwich for an economy.

PS
I have to admit to being a McCain admirer. Although he ran a small minded, peavish, slander-based mess of a campaign and left us the "gift" of Sarah Palin, I am still an admirer of his.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: snoopaloop on March 04, 2009, 07:07:19 PM: There is nothing wrong with being politically conservative, the problem with America is that in order to be politically conservative in the Republican party, they also have to have far-right morally "conservative" (ie, religious nut jobs) ideologies too.

There are a lot of parallels between the right wings in the US and those in some countries like say, Iran.

It also seems like the more power more liberal (nay, not liberal... more middle of the road) politicians have, the farther to the right some of the Republicans drift.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 05, 2009, 12:40:53 AM: I agree, A-Train and Snoops. Not on McCain, but just about everything else.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Sir Fudge Loving on March 05, 2009, 12:19:43 PM: I agree; if we can just get the conservatives, the Bush lovers, and quasi-fence riders who think they aren't liberal the hell out of the US, the world and the universe, then the US should be better. I also think if we can get the Republicans with their big money corporations and rich capitalistic interests shoveled under the table and, dare I say it, into the grave, the future will be brighter since Obama is holding the reins for our country. We'll pull out of the recession soon enough thanks to him, and no thanks to those conservatives with their country club banquets and big jets and their american flags. I too liked McCain; I just wished he had died in that Hanoi Hilton so I wouldn't have to see him as a patsy for the right and their ilk. We've come a long way, but still have a long way to go to get away from our extremist right Bush legacy that led to the recession, our bad international reputation, and our thug ridden quilting bees. It's one thing to live in the US, but we should also be vigilent that the neo-cons and their lobbyists who have the corporate dollar into the spyglass do not get too top heavy with their rhetoric or in the worst case scenario--as demonstrated for the past 8 years--into a country of fascist right wing racist reactionaries. The future looks brighter--very shiny, indeed, and hotter. Goddamnit, I'm getting naked with the rest of you.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: DaDan on March 05, 2009, 01:53:45 PM: Hmm...

I just learned a LoT about who I must be & what I must stand for...
If I Had To choose, I'd put an R next my name as I'm Defenitly Not in the D crowd.

I'm pretty right of center in enough of my views to not fear admitting it.

`guess I need to read & reread this thread to find the real me. bibibibibi
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: AMonk on March 05, 2009, 02:43:15 PM: offtopic But I just had to pass this along.

John McCain's daughter said in a recent interview that the surest way to ensure that your 20-something daughter stays single is to run for President aoaoaoaoao asasasasas

She's tired of the political arena, but all the young men think that a great conversation starter is to talk about the recent campaign llllllllll ahahahahah ahahahahah
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 05, 2009, 07:35:24 PM: Quote from: Sir Fudge Loving on March 05, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
Goddamnit, I'm getting naked with the rest of you.

And the Hannity train rolls on.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 05, 2009, 07:42:48 PM: Quote from: AMonk on March 05, 2009, 02:43:15 PM

She's tired of the political arena, but all the young men think that a great conversation starter is to talk about the recent campaign llllllllll ahahahahah ahahahahah

Those guys are missing forest for the trees. Marrying into the McCain family insures free beer for life!
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 05, 2009, 09:11:54 PM: More change I believe in: a deadline with a specific, tangible date set, to get our men and women out of Iraq, which we should have never been in the first place, but the "R" sure loved how it boosted their coffers as it bankrupted their nation. I'm sure Rush wants that to fail too. I hope Obama does what the "R" had no desire in doing: working with the armed forces to get Afghanistan stable. Not just for the Afghanis, but for the region, and for the world. I have no doubts Rush wants that fail too.
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: DaDan on March 06, 2009, 12:04:28 AM: I'd take free lifetime beer over ketchup uuuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: Changed `dinit?
Post by: Spaghetti on March 06, 2009, 12:07:47 AM: Quote from: DaDan on March 06, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
I'd take free lifetime beer over ketchup uuuuuuuuuu

I'd go M.I.L-ILF for the beer distributor heiress over the ketchup queen as a mother-in-law. I'm just being honest. bdbdbdbdbd

Is it also wrong to admit I'd have more fun joining a fight club with father-in-law that lived in a tiger cage than the one who kind of resembles Guy Smiley from Sesame Street? I could actually imagine going UFC with McCain and respecting him in the end. Not the same with Johnny boy, who I'd probably have to drag home, unconscious, and explain things to the missus.