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The Bar Room => The Legalities Board: Visas, Permits, Taxes, and More! (ON-TOPIC) => Topic started by: xwarrior on June 05, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
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Trey Archer has a good article on the issues related to breaking a contract:
http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Breaking-Your-Contract-in-China-New-Consequences-for-Pulling-a-Midnight-Run
One of the new measures (new to me, anyway) introduced this year is an online database listing those who breached their contracts:
http://www.safea.gov.cn/content.shtml?id=12746016
As the database is maintained by the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs (the most dysfunctional of state bureaucracies) there is every chance that this will never contain more names than the 9 listed.
Then again, there is a chance that the database will become the weapon of choice when it comes to controlling the comings and goings of foreign teachers.
gggggggggg
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Harlequin Takahashi.
Now that is a name.
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Trey Archer has a good article on the issues related to breaking a contract:
http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Breaking-Your-Contract-in-China-New-Consequences-for-Pulling-a-Midnight-Run
One of the new measures (new to me, anyway) introduced this year is an online database listing those who breached their contracts:
http://www.safea.gov.cn/content.shtml?id=12746016
As the database is maintained by the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs (the most dysfunctional of state bureaucracies) there is every chance that this will never contain more names than the 9 listed.
Then again, there is a chance that the database will become the weapon of choice when it comes to controlling the comings and goings of foreign teachers.
Since many have been blacklisted, I'm surprised this list isn't 9 pages rather than 9 names
Harlequin Takahashi.
Now that is a name.
What about Slaughter Dexter Carl, Ali Hubdar, Lujan Judith Harbin and Spitler Daniel Bruce. Those are quite the handles
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Harlequin Takahashi.
Now that is a name.
Damn, they finally caught up with me. ananananan
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Stop Press
It seems that some names have got missed off the official The State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs list. Now, why should that be? How could something like this happen in China? How much would it cost to have a name go missing?
This link throws up some new names:
http://www.foreignhr.com.cn/doc/guojiawaizhuanjufabudeweiguimingdan.pdf
I churned it through MDBG for a translation, so some of the following items will need a correction of detail.
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By ForeignHR according to the Government Web sites this document finishing, for your reference.
1. the list according to the State Bureau's Web site informed of breaches compiled the notification sent to all provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities Municipal Bureau of foreign experts Affairs, Bureau of foreign experts Affairs of Xinjiang.
2. foreign employed persons with violations, related employer terminate the employment contract with them, by employing units Foreign experts write off their foreign expert certificate.
3. under informed management of foreign experts in violation of the rules (the Foreign Office [, 2010]102), is now available through external National experts to work in China document management system to achieve a message alert to these illegal expatriate staff and limited approval, And inform the local Bureau of foreign experts Affairs strictly, from the date of notification, three years to ratify these illegal people to foreign countries
Cultural and educational experts working in China.
4. my company Department offers specific background check reports.Illegal foreign staff list (in alphabetical order, update to 2013/02/01) Ordinal name gender nationality passport number of employer violations
1 Ali Hubdar men and KXXX99202 of Xinjiang University of Pakistan malicious breach
2 CAO YE women Australia NXXX9952 Wuxi Centre for a unilateral contract
3 Doyle Dustin Wyatt male United States serious default by the 4XXX0356 school in Karamay
4 DANIEL LEE HOUSE male United States 4XXX20754 University of science and technology's unilateral breach
Male 5 Dirk Holderied Germany CXXXX28F4 Wuxi Institute of a malicious breach
6 GHOGAH HOSIA WIHBONGALE
Men Australia College of UXXX0596 a zhoukou unilateral breach
7 Harlequin Takahashi women United Kingdom 4XXX93142 Nanjing training malicious breach
8 JOSHUA STEPHEN BATES
Male New Zealand EXXX6482 Wuxi malicious breach of a school by ForeignHR according to the Government Web sites this document finishing, for your reference.
9 KRISTIAN MCGUIRE male United States 7XXX15213 a College in Shanghai to break jump
10 KI YAN YOONG man United Kingdom 4XXX19179 Huang Gang ' College's unilateral breach
11 KENNETH JAMES BRYNE MCPHEE
Man United Kingdom Weihai school 7XXX86119 unauthorized departure
12 Kyle Au man United States 7XXX68488 a middle school of Zhengzhou, malicious breach
13 LAURA MEADE woman United Kingdom 1XXX11035 Huang Gang ' College unilateral-default
14 Lujan Judith Harbin women United States 4XXX71453 black training in serious breach of
15 MATTHEW BENJAMIN WEBB
Man United States 3XXX10855 a Center in Shanghai's unilateral breach
16 ODETTE NGWAFU SUNDAY
Women in Cameroon 8XXX5341 a school in Yancheng forged documents
17 OLIVER ALFRED KEMSLEY
Man United Kingdom 8XXX89435 Huang Gang ' College unauthorized departure
18 OLIVER ROMAN men Australia MXXX3739 Shanghai school's unilateral breach
19 PETER JACK MYERS man
United States
United Kingdom
2XXX21442
7XXX43029
Three Gorges University unilateral breach
20 PAUL TANUE ASONGWE
Male slightly Mai lung 43XXX7637 a school in Yancheng forged documents
21 Slaughter Dexter Carl male United States 4XXX34753 Zhengzhou Institute of unauthorized termination
22 Spitler Daniel Bruce male United States 4XXX73599 a training in Shanxi serious breach
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I am not sure if it is worth the effort but someone might like to tidy up the details, especially with regard to the name of the institutions.
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"Whibongale" is fun to say.
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Personally, I've never trusted anyone named Gareth.
The irony is that the biggest offenders never had proper visas in the first place.
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"Foreign HR", what a f***ing fantastic name for a company ostensibly involved in cross-cultural relations!
Their homepage (http://www.foreignhr.com.cn) also provides a classic example of one of my pet favorite things about China - the just-for-show "English" button to nowhere.
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FYI - you can use these names to Google some message boards (in Chinese) which I have never before encountered. They contain many secrets, which I considered coveting for myself, but then I decided not to.
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Thanks for the tip. Was interesting reading.
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Personally, I've never trusted anyone named Gareth.
The irony is that the biggest offenders never had proper visas in the first place.
To the bolded -- how can you tell? Am I missing something?
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I just meant that the people I've known in China who were the kinds that really merited being blacklisted were not eligible to get proper visas and docs, so they would never end up on the official blacklist because the schools were employing them illegally and knew it.
Kind of a catch-22 since the school can't complain to the head muckety-muck and say, "This horrible laowai with fake papers we knew about, who only came to China because of a DUI conviction in Alice Springs (true story), pulled a runner and broke his contract. And we want him banned!"
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Ahhh yeah, gotcha. I agree. The worst schools and the worst teachers tend to be the illegal types.
I really wish I knew some of the stories behind the blacklistings here. I bet there are some doozies!
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I am willing to bet that a lot of this blacklisting is due to these teachers being involved in certain "extracurricular activities". Mainly those involving certain far flung regions of Our China, or perhaps those pertaining to certain unpopular religious groups.
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I would truly love to see a facility for foreign teachers to complain to a similar department about schools, and then the department would measure complaints and apply a similar standard for blacklisting them. The obvious problem with this is that it would essentially create a 2 way type of communication and people who don't need visas to be in the Middle Kingdom are much more fond of the 1 way type of "communication".
How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?
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I would truly love to see a facility for foreign teachers to complain to a similar department about schools, and then the department would measure complaints and apply a similar standard for blacklisting them. The obvious problem with this is that it would essentially create a 2 way type of communication and people who don't need visas to be in the Middle Kingdom are much more fond of the 1 way type of "communication".
How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?
Schools would just bribe their way onto the safe list, unfortunately. :(
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The China Foreign Teachers union are wrong in so, so many ways, but they have provided us all with a nice little blacklist.
I think the done thing is to copy the relevant part of webpages, but please tell me mods if it's too long, and you just want the link. http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org/
Be advised that large chain operations like English First, Wall Street English, New Oriental, etc. should not be judged by the problems or misdeeds of one or two locations.
Beijing’s 12 Worst Schools (“The Dirty Dozen”)
http://www.globalblacklist.org
Woodpecker English (Beijing - Zhongguancun) Manager Liu Lei
This school has a notorious reputation for not paying last paychecks and withholding release letters. We have received complaints from three teachers who report being threatened and/or bribed by Manager Liu Lei not to make problems. Steer clear of this school. The actual complaints were not authorized for publication, and we respect the requests of the three teachers who actually fear retaliation from Mr. Liu.
Pingyang Quishi School (Wenzhou)
http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/01/30/china_foreign_teachers_union_exposes_extortion_by_principals
Chi Cheng International School (Xian)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6633-chi-cheng-international-english-school-gallop-xi-an-china
Tian Shuo School & "Maggie" (Chanchun)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic1852-tian-shuo--changchun-china.aspx
Fei Fan English School (Fushun)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6622-review-of-fei-fan-english-school-fushun-liaoning-china
Dong Peng English (Online)
http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-2148
English First (CCTV News Broadcast)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=47786 and http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/checking-employers-credentials-before.html and http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/checking-employers-credentials-before.html and http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/ef-hangzhou-student-grades-corruption.html and http://ef-hangzhou-china.blogspot.com/#!/2012/10/ef-hangzhou-tax-avoidance-and-utilities.html and http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic121-ef--english-first-china.aspx?MessageID=3549#post3549
Lucky Kids Kindergarten (Jiangdu)
See comments section below for details
ABC Foreign Language School
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/09/abc-foreign-language-training-school.html
Key Logic a.k.a. Key-Logic (Beijing)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2143-pay-salary--earnings-of-china-foreign-teachers.aspx and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out and http://answers.echinacities.com/node/100048 and http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2067-key-logic-in-beijing-are-thieves--beware.aspx
Peng You English (Online)
This company refuses to provide a legitimate mailing address and ownership information and all emails are sent using a VPN service.
Rego International School (Shanghai)
http://shanghaiist.com/2012/01/13/shanghai_rego_international_school.php and
http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/articles/blogs-shanghai/family-matters-shanghai/breaking-news-shanghai-rego-staff-faces-deportation-if-work-visas-not-obtained/
American Kids Language School (Hangzhou) (see photos below)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6964-american-kids-language-school-hangzhou-warning
Cheery English (Shanghai)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3854
Treville Foreign Language School (Guilin)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6682-treville-foreign-language-school-scam-guilin-guangxi
St. Paul Christian School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48104
Larry's Global English School (Taizhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6618-larry-global-english-taizhou-china
Shanghai Golden Apple School
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/08/shanghai-gold-apple-bilingual-school.html
Golden Tran a.k.a. Goldentran (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2011/05/20/Any-good-one-on-one-English-school-in-CBD-Is-Goldentran-good
Web International English linked with China ESL & Rebecca Tang (Beijing)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic896-web-international-english--warning.aspx
North China Power Electric University
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2008/02/north-china-electric-power-university.html
Xuehui Science Kindergarten (Shanghai)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article123.htm
Runner Education (Xiamen)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article340.htm
Shanghai Kid's MBA Young American English School (Shanghai)
See comments section below for details
Okiki School, (Shangahi)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post1302
Canada Worldly English (Guangzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1088069293-94300.txt
Cornelli School
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post1934
Larry Global English (Taizhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6618-larry-global-english-taizhou-china
Warren School of Language (Yinchuan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6593-warren-school-of-language-yinchuan-warning
ECA (Guangzhou)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6030
Kid Castle (Hangzhou)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2204
Bilingo China a.k.a. China Bilingo a.k.a. UFEIC a.k.a. UFIEC (Beijing)
http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5685&p=13421#p13421 and
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2133-warning--bilingo-china-cheats-foreign-teachers.aspx and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out#comment-602122 and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/12/21/free-demo-classes-are-becoming-scam-watch-out#comment-601509 and http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/scam-alert-foreign-teacher-fraud/ and http://www.cleverchinacheaters.com/2012/09/the-china-blacklist-last-update-92012.html and from TEFL Bad Apple and echinacities.com listings just recently deleted (money talks in China and 8 negative posts from 5 different FTs magically disappeared).
Wuhan Polytechnic University (Wuhan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6592-wuhan-polytechnic-university
Bluniverse School (Hefei)
http://teflblacklist.blogspot.nl/2007/02/bluniverse-hefei-china.html
World International English School (Suzhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48332
Birmy International School (Taizhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48146
Yang En University (Quangzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1088174973-67166.txt
KISQ School (Qingdao)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2592
Lingdong School (Foshan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6590-lingdong-foshan-china
Davis Language Center (Tianjin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article8.htm
Jiangxi University of Traditional Chinese Medicine
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6591-jiangxi-university-of-traditional-chinese-medicine
Helen Group (Hangzhou)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6575-china-tefl-network-helen-group-hangzhou-urgent-warning
Fuzhou Polytechnical College (Fujian)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic15-international-scam-warning.aspx#post2865
Tianjin University of Commerce (Tianjin)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1086597142-661.txt
Aston English Schools (Shenyang)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic107-aston-english-schools-china.aspx
Benxi Future English School (Dongbei)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic553-david-hao-and-benxi-future-english-school.aspx
Yanjing Overseas Chinese University (Beijing)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1079201175-78614.txt and http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1085602907-24355.txt
Thornburi Language Center
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48438
Ginzhou Foreign Language School
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6565-qinzhou-foreign-language-school-poor-treatment-to-teachers
Dezhou University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6570-dezhou-university-college-is-hell
Shenzen Shiyan School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48618
Huija Kindergarten (Beijing)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48594
Kid's MBA (Jiangsu Province - All Locations)
This school is not licensed to hire foreigners and will never provide Z visas nor release letters.
Wenzhou University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6557-wenzhou-university-oujiang-college
Beijing Homestay (Beijing)
This operation is not licensed nor approved by the Minitry of Education and will not answer questions posed by the CFTU about the "deposits" they request from tecahers, nor issues pertaining to invitation letters and visas.
Weci English School
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48655
Beijing High School No. 19
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-599757
Dr. Duan & CMS Chinese Montessori Society
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6615-dr-duan-president-of-cms-chinese-montessori-society
TEFL Academy
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5437-stay-away-from-tefl-academy
Guangdong Ocean University
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5431-gdou-guangdong-ocean-university-in-zhanjiang-china
Zenith Kindergarten
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5176-zenith-kindergarten-guangzhou
Decai Training Center (Guangzhou)
http://www.russellcase.net/americas-china-syndrome.html and
http://teachinginchina.net/ and http://www.russellcase.net/forensic-facts.html
English First (Xian)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5159-contract-details-for-ef-xian
Dell English (Songyuan)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6577-dell-english-school-songyuan
English First (Changchun)
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/good-school-review-in-china/6609-ef-changchun-greylist
New Jordan Education Group
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/128-beware-new-jordan-education-group-all-branches
Shandong Provincial Modern School
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/90-shandong-provisional-modern-school-culture-institute-in-jinan
Columbia Private English School (Changchun)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article270.htm
Golden Bridge School (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article94.htm
English Town (Panjin)
http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/126-english-town-panjin-china
English First (Hangzhou)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48090
Childrens Joy Language School (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article370.htm
San Jie Foreign Language School (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article364.htm
TCM China (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article272.htm
Yakup International (Beijing)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article64.htm and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article34.htm and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article31.htm
Wall Street English (Shanghai)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48401
Auqi English School (Heliojiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article318.htm
Hebi School of Vocation & Technolog
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=47634
Harbin Star Foreign Language School (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article294.htm
Highbird International School (Harbin)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article293.htm
Roy English Training Center a.k.a. Roy Language Center (Helionjiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article32.htm and http://www.englishschoolwatch.org/notebook_detail.php?topic_id=2109
Jingbei Foreign Language College (Hebei)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article141.htm and http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article267.htm
English First (Taiyuan)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article379.htm
John Gao's school, Number 2 foreign language school (AKA number 18 middle/high school), Modern English, People's Number Two Hospital, Shanxi university (Taiyuan)http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1101454561-39762.txt
Yincai School (Inner Mongolia)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3845 and http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3945
New Century English School (Dalian)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article334.htm
Shutong Pattison (Liaoning)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=3926
Delter International Business School
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article117.htm
Seder English Training Center (Dalian)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article284.htm
Icon Language Center (Suzho)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article7.htm
Jiangsu Huaian Modern English (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article274.htm
Nanjing Talent Academy (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article287.htm
Sino Canada High School (Suzhou)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1093239223-80936.txt
Stenford English (Jiangsu)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article232.htm
Hangzhou Babel English (Zhejiang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article390.htm
Jinagxi University of Finance and Economics (JUFE) (Nanchang)
http://www.abroadchina.org/html/cache=article171.htm
Yingtan College (Jiangxi)
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?display:1083334358-43636.txt
AceLeader English School a.k.a. Ace Leader (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-556047
Youth Academy Of Dance a.k.a. YAD a.k.a. Tong Yi
Vivid English School (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2008/12/01/Vivid-English-Club-Owner-Steals-Money-Skips-Town
Suzhou Foreign Language School (Suzhou)
http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2896
EtonKids a.k.a. Eton Kids (Beijing)
http://etonkidsbeware.com/files/EtonLetter.pdf
Golden Apple (Beijing)
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/02/07/Beijing-English-School-Blacklist#comment-575659
Yu Ming Education Center aka Yuming Education Center (Tianjin)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4641
New Dynamic Institute (Beijing & Shanghai)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?read=80525
China ESL & Rebecca Tang (Beijing)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/5450-chinaesl-a-scam-bad-for-schools-and-teachers and http://www.thebeijinger.com/node/1592803 and http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you and http://www.thebeijinger.com/node/1592803#comment-589030 and http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-chalkboard/travelsmith2/posts/11005-the-shadiest-contract-ive-ever-seen and http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=35714
Caig Hill (China Esl Agent - See Photos Below)
http://craighillchinadailymail.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/is-the-china-daily-post-and-editor-craig-hill-a-shill-scam/
Ameson Education (America)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/6583-ameson-education-aamp-culture-exchange-foundation
Athena Learning Center (Beijing) Owned/Operated By American Fugitive Sam Arnold
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/generalinformation/newsroom/mostwanted/SamuelNevielArnold.asp
American Kids Language Training School (Hangzhou)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2192-american-kids-language-training-school---hanzhou.aspx?lastpage=1#post3809
Richard's English (Shaoxing)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5249
HK Sunbow Foreign Language Kindergarten (Guangdong)
(See Complaints in Comments Section Below)
Chi Cheng International Language School (Xian)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/6633-chi-cheng-international-english-school-gallop-xi-an-china
Guangdong Ocean University (Zhanjiang)
http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-school-review-in-china/5431-gdou-guangdong-ocean-university-in-zhanjiang-china
Mongolia College (Inner Mongolia)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5402
Peng's Foreign Language Training School (Shenzen)
Unlicensed and Horric Contracts - 17 complaints received in 2012
Jilin Province Education & Maggie Wang aka Maggie Wong (Jilin)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic2245-do-not-work-for-jilin-province-education-maggie.aspx
Fei Fan English School (Fushun, Lioaning)
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=48150
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How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?
There are 6819 of them and they are listed here:
http://www.anesl.com/schools/info.asp?province=&page=1
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Tian Shuo School & "Maggie" (Chanchun)
http://china.eslteachercafe.com/topic1852-tian-shuo--changchun-china.aspx
My first real job in China was with these clowns. The reason they are on this list would make an interesting movie. I did my full year, got all my bonus and was able to walk away with my head up. It took some doing, but I never relented, knew what I could/couldn't do and got what was rightfully mine
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It sort of regulates itself up to a point. If you're good at your job and stay in China for a few years you will find the good or better schools and know how to avoid the rubbish ones. Likewise if the school is serious and treats teachers well they will be able to keep teachers who are good and not hang onto the ones who suck
I mean in principle I agree with having an organisation to protect the integrity of English teaching in China but they can get round to that after they stop officials taking bribes...
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How about a safe list of schools approved by SAFEA so that laowais would know which horrible schools to avoid?
There are 6819 of them and they are listed here:
http://www.anesl.com/schools/info.asp?province=&page=1
Maybe you should read this about this bogus "SAFEA Whitelist": http://www.realscam.com/f8/angelinas-esl-cafe-beijing-another-dubious-teach-china-scam-3202/
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Please stop spending your time posting endless copies of the same crap in different corners of the internet and seek help, or at the very least strong medication.
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Wagner- The post (from this topic) you've quoted has nothing to do with your CFTU information that you've linked to. It's simply a link to a list of which schools are allowed to recruit foreign teachers, which is helpful information.
Can't you at least read the posts before CFTUing them?
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Oh lordy lordy. I have worked for two of the schools on Just Like Mr. Benn's post (#16).
I found this thread through an internet search. No, not bing.
Jiminy. I need to search the internet before I accept a position.
Goodness gracious ... sorry to necropost ...
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I used to be one of those "high and mighty," forum posters who always argued against breaking contracts and doing midnight runners. But I honestly think that applies to other countries other than China.
I really believe it is okay to break a contract in China if you believe you will never come back to this place ever again. China isn't like other countries. The recruiters or schools who hire do not tell you the tiny details that will make or break your stay here. It's all a matter of perspective, something they simply do not have.
I'm in no way endorsing anyone break their contracts and do midnight runners, but having now experienced China I'm less inclined to judge people who decided to bail ship.
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Does that mean that things are going / went bad for you in China.
Like you, I think that its wrong to bail on a school, but sometimes its the best of 2 bad options.
I had to bail on a school (not in China) at one point. I felt terrible, and frankly the bad situation was caused by my not doing the due diligence I would have done if it was a chinese employer. The day I arrived I realised that it was a big mistake, but I was so determined to be someone who kept his word, and to not run out on the school days before the start of semester leaving them with no possibility of getting a replacement teacher, that I decided to stay.
By the time I woke up on my third morning i knew i had to go, and although I felt incredibly guilty, there's not one doubt that I made the right decision. It would have been disasterous to stay.
I'm not ancient, but I'm old enough to know a bad situation when I encounter one, but if I'd been paying proper attention in my skype interview, i could have avoided some of the most stressful days of my life.
The thing is, it was basically my fault, but I came out of it having had an interesting and educational experience.
So I think midnight runs are wrong, but the very nature of throwing yourself into the unknown is that however careful you are, it's possible to eventually make a mistake.
As I say this wasn't china, and I'm not sure there's a particular problem with China, but the cultural differences can really accentuate misunderstanding.
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Since we're here and talking... the difference between breaking a contract and quitting is presumably whether or not you notify the school you're leaving early. But either way you get a breach penalty. I don't know enough, or any, of contract law in general to know if that is weird, but it seems weird. Employment contracts you can't quit from without being penalised? I could see breach penalties in a contract to deliver goods, and I guess also services too, which leaves me wondering why I think teaching is different.
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Mr. Benn, well I think it's impossible for anyone to say whether you made the right decision or not. It sounds like you were miserable though and that doesn't make for a good teacher so I personally think you did make the right decision. Like I said, I don't advocate quitting early but sometimes you simply have no choice.
Ya, I might be doing a "runner" or quitting during the New Year's break. I have taught in many countries and this will be the first time. I do feel some guilt but only for leaving my students. The school I work for is terrible and I'm not going to stay and continue to be miserable.
Before coming here I tried to do as much research as I possibly could but there just some things you cannot account for. The organization that hired me turned out to be nothing more than a glorified recruitment agency. They hid the truth. They hire teachers illegally on business visas and then let them go when it's convenient. I'm not sure whether to blame the teachers for this or not. These teachers are from countries like Holland, Spain and Russia, so I guess it's their fault for taking the risk?
I've had problems with no heating, no water and no Internet for days at a time. You really can't foresee these type of problems before coming over.
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I've had problems with no heating, no water and no Internet for days at a time.
No water? That's just China, from my admittedly small experiential sample of two apartments over five years. I've been without water for two days at least twice. It might be more a problem of your neighbors renovating their apartments than your recruiter.
As for the rest, I don't know. I'm just glad I won't be one of the colleagues you leave in the lurch.
I work at a public school, so no colleagues that would suffer :)
Actually the water problem was for several days and was a municipal issue that affected many people in the neighborhood.
My issue with my school is that they simply don't care about the foreign teachers where I work. There are two of us here and we are an afterthought at best. When talking to us, they treat me okay but the other foreign teacher they absolutely hate. I honestly believe it has to do with the fact that they hate foreigners in general. The last few teachers all quit and I guess that skewed their opinion of all foreigners. Not really much I can do about that.
I have been told by many teachers here that what I am going through is normal. I know teachers who have lived here for years and they told me they haven't made any real Chinese friends at all. Moreover, they are all pretty much despised and hated at their schools too which makes me reconsider leaving. If it's normal and just a cultural thing then I'm probably over-reacting.
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