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The Bar Room => The BS-Wrestling Pit => Topic started by: pydilyk on October 19, 2009, 05:22:41 AM
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I've seen a bunch of things happen over here but saw two situations today within a short period of time that were a little disturbing. The first was right outside my apartment building. I was walking back and saw a couple arguing up ahead. The girl was clearly upset and trying to get away. The boy was screaming at her, grabbing her so she couldn't get away and shaking her. All this time people were walking by like nothing was happening. I slowed to almost a stop as I went by and stared at the guy, who had stopped yelling and pulled the girl off to the side of the road. I kept looking over my shoulder as I walked away but they seemed to have calmed down.
Later I was walking through the main gate of our campus. There were people everywhere and a whole group of school security guards standing around. I heard some commotion and looked up to see this guy run up and legit drop kick a girl at full speed in the back. She stumbled over while he ran back to a group of friends. She started screaming, ran up and hit him and then ran away crying. All the while the security guards, passerbys and the guy's friends kept going about their business like nothing had happened.
Both situations, especially the second one, were so conspicuous and public that if they had occurred back home someone would have stepped in. I thought I was going to have to do something before the girl who got kicked ran away. The complete apathy shown by everyone around was the most disturbing part.
As a foreigner it's really hard to know when to step in or fully understand the situation. Still, there are times when it's clear things are out of control, like the girl being kicked, and yet people do nothing. Even then I don't know how I'd go about getting involved or if it would be safe to do so. Everyone knows there's no such thing as a one on one fight with a Chinese person.
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A couple months ago, our schoool driver (male) and our foreign affairs officer (female) were driving me home from a late class around 7:30PM. Just before we turned the corner to my street, I yelled at the driver to stop as I witnessed a girl on the receiving end of some serious roundhouses from a guy. The FAO asked what was going on, I told her to stop the car and explained. They thought I was kidding.
As soon as the car stopped I hightailed it back with the other two. As we approached, the bedlem had calmed down but a circle of spectators had arrived. The FAO held me in place and almost ordered me to do nothing! If that had been a 1-on-1 fight between two guys, I would have gone and watched too. Nobody so much as busted a calorie!
The two appeared in their mid twenties. The girl tried to get into a cab, but he dragged her out. After a few choice screams and some pushing and shoving, she got on the back of his bicycle and they rode off.
I wanted to kill him
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Intervening in domestic violence situations can be very high risk. More cops are killed or injured in those than by any other type of crime.
The one time I got involved in one didn't work out particularly well. This was back in Canada. A couple having a screaming row, in an alley just off a main street. She was on the ground and he was booting her in the ribs, hard. Most people just walked by.
My friend and I, about 17 at the time, yelled at him. He came after us, roaring, large guy and exceeding drunk. She, still on the ground, took to throwing rocks at us and screaming obscenities, telling us to leave her husband alone. We took off, and called the cops once we were well clear.
In China, I'm not sure calling the cops would do much good, even if your Chinese is up to it.
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At home I would have (and have) intervened. Here, I have been told that it is personal business and to stay out of it. But when talking about it with the students, they seem to think the climate is changing and state they would take action if they saw something like this.
Not sure if idealism would turn into action in reality, but at least they are clear about the inappropriateness of it.
BUT... and ask any copper, domestic violence is the hardest situation to deal with. You are just as likely to have the victim turn on you for interfering.
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Just FWIW:
You CAN call 119 here, whatever your level of Chinese proficiency or non-proficiency.
If you call and end up babbling like a...well, foreigner...they'll figure it out... and the 119 Police will respond to the scene pretty quickly.
The have the same Emergency Network Systems as back home (but like all things Chinese, reversed 911=119 here).
They can track the location of the calls...and if it sounds like a foreigner calling, they'll dispatch a unit right away, even if they can't understand WTF you are saying.
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In my second week at uni, in student halls, my flatemate (female), who I barely knew at the time, got badly beat up by her now ex-boyfriend in the early hours of the morning. We all went out that night, eleven of us. We went to a few bars and clubs. We all got quite drunk. :alcoholic: :alcoholic: aaaaaaaaaa as you do in the first few weeks of your first year of uni in the uk.
I went to bed and passed out. During the night they apparently fought in my room (I had forgotten to lock the door) but I was gone and didnt hear a thing. Next thing I know, the next day my flatmate is overed in bruises.
I didn't witness the act but witnessed up close the aftermath and it aint pretty. The fear of how he might be just around the corner, the fear of possible brain damage... Obviously the police came and arrested the c*nt. We never saw him again. Sad thing to happen to her in her first few weeks of uni. It took her a long time to get over it. alalalalal
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a whole group of school security guards standing around.
This is a familiar scene...I once witnessed an irate parent smashing things up and threatening staff at a school while the guards looked on. Another friend of mine got in a bit of an argument with a drunk guy in the street, and when the blokes mates started to join in he decided the best thing to do was retreat into our(guarded) accommodation compound. Nope, the other guys were able to walk straight in and continued threatening to beat the crap out of him while the security staff watched - luckily they didn't follow him inside the building. I am not sure at what point here, if ever, security guards actually get involved in any altercation.
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security guards are there to keep beggars/peasants away, or from getting inside of whatever it is they are "guarding".
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Several days ago, from my fifth floor office window, I witnessed a brawl between two college age boys exchanging expletives, fists, slaps, body slams, etc.
I was quite pleased to see two eldery women break it up.
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i got kicked in twice in korea intervening in domestic violence
china isn't as bad as korea, but you still see a lot of men shaking their girlfriend etc, i don't ignore it, i walk past slowly and stare, but i've decided that it isn't worth intervening cos at the end of the day even if i could give the guy a beating it wouldn't solve the problem
and as someone pointed out to me in korea after i told them about intervening, if i was an esl teacher in nigeria and it was a 6"3 african guy slapping his girlfriend no way would i get involved cos he'd obviously kill me......
once in newcastle when i was 17 i saw a big guy who had been locked out of his house by his family kicking his door in to get to his family and i didn't do anything cos i was scared. i spose the best thing you can do is just look at them and hope they realise that they are being shocking
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Would it help to begin comcording the event with your cell phone in a way that the culprit would see you? From a respectible distance, that is.
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The worst I ever saw was in my husband's home town ten years ago when a fight at the next table (in an outdoor restaurant) resulted in one guy breaking a bottle and "glassing" another guy. Nobody intervened, not the police (in uniform) sitting at another table, not the police (in uniform) walking by at the time. It ended when friends pulled the two guys apart.
More recently, I was walking through our compound with my 5-yr old son when we came across a group of our neighbours gathered in a circle - in the middle several of our "bao'an" (compound security men) were beating up a thief who they had caught in our compound. I didn't say anything to them but went to the management office of the compound and complained about this "rough justice", especially the fact that it was carried out in public where anyone, including children, could see it. They said they had to be seen to be tough on thieves or else the compound would be overrun by thieves! I said they should call the police, not do it themselves. My husband also went and complained to them, but I don't suppose it will have made any difference.
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A lot of the time it is not wise to intervene, because one doesn't know the "background" to a dispute, and the language difficulty won't make things any clearer.
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I agree with that, old bean, and I think A-train's cell phone idea is the best. Heck, even if you don't have a cameera on your phone, you can always bluff.
But then it's one thing to say you'd walk on by, another to do it. there are cases where I know I'd get involved; in fact, this is a fear of mine. This is one of the ways I could end up leaving China against my will.
This summer I was at a seedy bar late at night with a female friend when a guy we know came in and offered her a ride home; she was very drunk and didn't want to be alone with him in his car, so politely declined. He kept up the hard sell, then left. She expressed to me her relief that he was gone... then he returned and started in on her again. By this time she was sitting very still with her hands in her lap, staring at her feet, so I called her over, said she was free to do whatever she wanted, and asked her what she wanted to do. She replied that she didn't want to be alone with him, and he was scaring her. he approached her again, this time with me standing right there, so I said "____, it isn't going to happen." He angrily replied that he wanted to hear that from her, and then she said so. He sotrmed out, she thanked me, and got into a cab.
The next day he had a mutual friend call me and inform me that I had 2 weeks to leave Suzhou or he'd have some guys make me disappear. Being a rich kid, his family apparently has just the connections it takes to have this done. Being my first death threat, I was quite upset by it.
It's blown over now, but there's a lesson in it: in this case, seedy things happen in seedy places. I figured a Chinese guy would figure she and I were a couple and back off, whereas a foreigner would, at worst, start a fight with me. I didn't anticipate a Chinese guy that was partly raised in America threatening me with goons. That's why I stay out of bars now- that and I figured it best to stay out of his way.
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But you quite probably saved her from being raped. agagagagag agagagagag
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Last year in Beijing during the Olympics, the g/f and I saw a group of people encircling two men abuse another - not really beating. Now this was in the area where all the locals were trying to scalp tickets. They did an ocassional slap, punch, tug but it really wasn't like a thrashing. As I got closer, I noticed the man being beaten wasn't trying to escape nor felt as in peril as I would have been.
Then one guy really cocked his arm, said something and let the victim eat a knuckle sandwich. Before that, I started with the why doesn't someone do something as I tried to get nearer. The g/f told me to butt out. When the punch happened, I screamed why don't they call the police. When I tried to jump in, someone grabbed my shirt, stopped me and said, "they are the police and he's a scalper who ripped off a customer"
OK, arrest the dude, a public flogging is uncalled for. The g/f said this is quite common.
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i just remembered i got myself beat up yesterday for telling a bunch of chinese people i hated china bibibibibi
the police even intervened, they were really sound about it, i apologised and they just told me to go for another beer ahahahahah
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Then one guy really cocked his arm, said something and let the victim eat a knuckle sandwich. Before that, I started with the why doesn't someone do something as I tried to get nearer. The g/f told me to butt out. When the punch happened, I screamed why don't they call the police. When I tried to jump in, someone grabbed my shirt, stopped me and said, "they are the police and he's a scalper who ripped off a customer"
OK, arrest the dude, a public flogging is uncalled for. The g/f said this is quite common.
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I wasn't there, but my husband witnessed a thief who was caught by what was basically an angry mob. The police were called and the officer said "I'm just going to fill out some forms here, now don't go beating the guy, got that? No hitting the criminal!" and turned his back to the crowd while they proceeded to do just that.
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It would be interesting to know if the public beating/humiliation is more of a crime deterrent than the methods used in our home countries.
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It would be interesting to know if the public beating/humiliation is more of a crime deterrent than the methods used in our home countries.
I don't think so. If we take the example of Michael P Fay. American teenager, aged 16 in 1994, vandalised a car in Singapore by throwing red paint on it. He got caned despite the intervention of the American Embassy and President Clinton. The only concession from Singapore? He got 4 lashes instead of 6.
It is widely believed that he is now in jail in the US for other unrelated crimes. UPDATE: did some research the guy did some time in the states for theft and narcotic possession.
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I think most of the research (at home) also shows quite clearly that it isn't effective as a disciplinary measure, either for young people or offenders. Those most subjected to it frequently become the criminals, and exhibit greater violent tendencies. And of course it has been clearly shown that the greatest physical deterrent threat of all - the death penalty - is completely ineffective in decreasing the number of offences it can be applied to. Physical humiliation in jail or internment camps in general hardens attitudes, particularly if it is perpetrated by those supposedly in charge.
The problem with any penalty is that most people don't think they will be caught, so IF they plan their crime, punishment one of the last things they think about. ahahahahah
Generally a higher proportion of crimes are opportunistic, no planning, so again no thought of consequences.
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On the beach in Dalian at low tide, quite a few people were out collecting various edible delicacies from (and possibly including) the slimy seaweed. A territorial dispute broke between a man and two women which quickly turned nasty, with the man grabbing both women by the hair and starting to rough them up. Everybody else just stood around gawking, and I was wondering whether my amazing Chinese vocabulary of about 20 words would be enough to intervene when the tables suddenly turned. The two women overpowered the man and gave him a sound thrashing. I walked away figuring he deserved it.
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i had to talk to an english girl yesterday and her chinese husband had given her 2 black eyes. that was really difficult. what could i say? he already told her twice
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.....her 2 black eyes....he already told her twice
Personally, in this situation, I would favour The Madea Solution...."Cook you up a mess o'grits, and serve it up to him with a side of heavy skillet" afafafafaf
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i know what girls like
we know what boys want
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One of the gate guards has a face full of scratches. Straight down his nose, all down his cheek. Someone with very sharp fingernails took to him. I am dying to ask how he got them, but just not quite game enough. Was it in the line of duty - preventing an unauthorised person from entering the uni? Was it his girlfriend? A drunken blue? Did he come on too heavy?
I'll probably never know .... mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm
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China can be surprisingly violent. After witnessing a few incidents at bars, I learned to stay away from them. At one a guy was making a drunken scene, so the security guys dragged him into a room and proceeded to beat the crap out of him. They left the door open, so I saw the whole thing. Another bar had guys walking around in little army outfits with helmets. Serious business, I guess!
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Was it in the line of duty - preventing an unauthorised person from entering the uni? Was it his girlfriend? A drunken blue? Did he come on too heavy?
Doubtful. More likely. Less likely. Most likely.
Or he could be a cat guy...
I kept a verile cat while in high school and there were a few times I woke up with an impressive example of the artist's work on my poor face. Cheecks usually. Violent indeed, despite never actually witnessing it.
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I'm sure your cat was totally innocent. It was some other animal that broke in and attacked you. The reason your cat was in the room looking all upset is that your cat had bravely driven the attacker off! The blood on your cat's paws came from fighting the other animal and had absolutely nothing to do with the scratches on your face.
I have a similar situation at my house. Crazed animals break in and cause all sorts of havoc. Each time, my valiant cats drive them off before I get there to see what is going on with all the sounds of my stuff getting destroyed.
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He, he...sounds like my cat. ahahahahah
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Or he could be a cat guy...
scratches were too wide for cat, unless it was an old man lion! definitely nice broad human scratch marks. And they were finger-spaced across his nose and down his cheek.
Saw him again, and am still not brave enough to ask. kkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkk
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Perhaps it was "Tiger Woods" syndrome.
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Has he been found out on the grass snoring?
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Two very relevant stories from the excellent ChinaSmack (http://www.chinasmack.com) Blog:
Warning - violence!
Wenzhou Man Beats Pregnant Woman Over Ice Cream Cone (http://www.chinasmack.com/videos/wenzhou-fast-food-restaurant-manager-beaten-ice-cream-cone/)
The bystander effect.
But on the other hand...
Wenzhou Chinese Man Throws Bicycle To Stop Thieves (http://www.chinasmack.com/videos/wenzhou-chinese-man-throws-bicycle-stop-thieves/)
It's as cool as it sounds. Very 'NB (http://www.nciku.com/search/all/%E7%89%9B%E5%B1%84)'.
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Also heard recently about an FT who was sleeping with his students. 2 of the students complained about him and he nearly beat one to death. Not a good look for FTs.
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Two very relevant stories from the excellent ChinaSmack (http://www.chinasmack.com) Blog:
Warning - violence!
Wenzhou Man Beats Pregnant Woman Over Ice Cream Cone (http://www.chinasmack.com/videos/wenzhou-fast-food-restaurant-manager-beaten-ice-cream-cone/)
It's absolutely insane that no one stopped to help out the women. There certainly were enough people present to make a difference without risking being hurt themselves.
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What can I say about that guy throwing his bike? Wow.
Had the same question, Eagle. Maybe that would make a good assignment for a writing class. Compare the 2 stories and expalain why people can sometimes act like heros and sometimes be useless dorks. (Maybe it's because she was their boss and that just reflects how they felt about her. I've had bosses like that.)
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Also, she was 2 months pregnant, so she wouldn't have been showing yet. The bad guy and the others would not have known she was pregnant.
However, she was a female and should not be subject to violence anyhow. Neither should guys for that matter. bjbjbjbjbj
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I know this topic started about what was happening in China, but my experience in Australia seems to indicate that irrespective of Nationality,people react in a similar manner in certain circumstances. I discussed this with two of my brothers who were firemen. Because of their training, they respond automatically to often life threatening circumstances. One thought that the fear of litigation stopped a lot of people from going to help others; I felt that this would be rare given my many experiences. I won't mention them all, just my first and last experiences to show how little I have seen change over the last 45 years. When I was about 18 or 19, I was walking down the main street in Darwin and it was very busy. A man was being kicked unconscious by another man as people walked past or around them on the main footpath. I grabbed the attacker by the arm and told him to stop before he killed this other man whom he was kicking in the head at this stage. The guy threw me to the ground and told me to mind my own business as I didn't know what this guy had done. Meanwhile the Chemist watched on from his shop a few feet away. I then lay across the top of the guy on the ground to protect his head and screamed at the Chemist to call an ambulance, I threatened the attacker with the Police if he kicked me. A struggle ensued on the ground (Thank goodness I had six brothers bfbfbfbfbf) but the attacker fled after the Chemist called the Police and Ambulance. My point being that during this time, NO ONE tried to help in any way. How does one live with the Bystander Effect? I can't or couldn't!
In the last few months I have had two more "experiences" One of a man lying, passed out, against a shop window in the middle of the main Mall in Brisbane and another just a week ago of an old man who appeared to have passed out in a motorised type of wheel chair in the middle of a busy shopping centre. Yes, you guessed it, NO ONE stopped to investigate or to try to help if necessary. I was the only one who attended to them BOTH. In both instances, people stopped to look or stared as they passed by. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!!
Surely there was no danger to them in the last two cases?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Not very encouraging information. Some answers are better left unquestioned.
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Thanks for that info A-Train. How sad is it that I have had to take action to ensure that there is a chance that I will be helped if I "go down" with my heart or whatever whilst I'm walking my dog. I have had to advise a lot of people, on the route I take my dog, that I may need help. I carry medical info in a bag and they know to come and help me if the occasion arises. I find it very sad that one of the main lessons I have learned about mankind is that there is a very strong possibility that no one will help in these types of situations. alalalalal Believe me, I do speak from experience but I will not go into any more at this stage.
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My British roommate was very recently clocked in the nose by a local while on the danced floor. Seems the Chinese man didn't like his looks and hauled off and decked my friend. Very dramatic and bloody but he refused to call the police despite others in the group suggesting it. Not sure I would have called either.
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This is an interesting topic and one which highlights the darker side of Chinese culture.
In Hunan, where I live, there is a local TV channel dedicated to what seems like 24Hr broadcasting of domestics. Have yee al' seen it? Perhaps not. My girlfriend loves it and it's pretty much prime time. The Chinese love it. Well, we all know, they do love gossip!
But this reveals -along with my own experiences- a scary and almost mob-like attitude from the Chinese which I will go into now.
But the thing to bear in mind, is generally (and of course each situation can vary dpending on who is being victimised) do not get involved in any way with any disturbance in any way.
Sounds callous and cowardly doesn't it? But yes, many situations 'back home' would warrant an immediate hero-like intervention, especially if a girl is being clearly abused or attacked. But I have seen so often how locals just stare or keep on walking by here. They believe you shouldn't interfere in anyone elses business or you'll share their grief in some way. There is an ancient proverb on that, which I now forget. This is a culture of see no evil, hear no evil and so on.
The story:
Back in Xinjiang (Hami) I was riding my bicycle along a very well marked bike lane at a reasonably slow speed – very slow in fact. Both hands on bars and all seemed fine, until, in a split second, a toddler fell into the path of my tyres! Naturally, I screeched to a halt and managed to run over the baby’s arm but avoided his head by an inch. Sweaty and perplexed, I naturally got off and asked his grandmother if he was OK – she’d been sitting idly at the side, while she let her grandson straddle the kerb – with these obvious consequences.
In moments, the father and a swathe of family arrived and immediately demanded I go to hospital with them. So I did. The baby looked fine, just bruised – but his crying of course elevated the situation. On the way to the hospital (five min walk and within sight) I suspected something wasn’t going to go to plan and called my girlfriend to ‘help translate’. She arrived at the hospital and they’d just seen the doc who’d given them various simple medicines and of course, the bill. That’s when it kicked off. They demanded I pay, despite doing no wrong. They argued and screamed –security was called and did nothing as usual- with my girlfriend giving granny what for. Almost fists and certainly some spitting. I was shocked at this whole situation.
I called my FAO but she was unable to come. Eventually we huffed out of the hospital and they’d threatened to see our bosses. Fearing they might contact the local PSB I went to the PSB first, told them my side and to look out for ‘their crazy lies’ if they came knocking. They took a note but seemed more interested in giving me cigarettes and talking about Beckham. The family did visit my school and director and ‘to keep the peace’ I was ordered to visit their house and apologise with a basket of fruit. I said in rather harsher terms… ‘no way mate’. In the end I never did go – over my dead corpse and the issue withered away, luckily.
My girlfriend also told me that if the police/courts had been involved, the norm is that both parties pay half all cost of whatever. This applies to almost any kind of case (but of course, it saves everyone hassle if the foreigner is just ordered to leave the city within 48hrs! – I’ve heard this happen). There seems to be no interest in finding out the truth! So beware. Especially if you’re foreign, people are friendly until they can find any crappy reason to shout, argue, grab you and march you to the police all to get some money from you. Scary eh?
It’s an underlying form of racism that is definitely here – like all countries in some way or another. Now, as much as I love China, that helped me understand this kind of ‘don’t get involved’ attitude (very sad isn’t it?). I heard other foreigners on bikes who’d had rougher times before me… for example, riding along, a local woman rides the opposite way talking on her mobile, and they crash. Immediately, the guilty one shouts and yells to everyone it was this foreigners’ fault and in no time at all she was surrounding by a group, mob, of locals yelling at her… with racist comments.
Pity isn’t it? Such a wonderful nation – but beware the dark streak of mob-ish-ness. If you are a foreigner, doing the right thing or not, you’re putting yourself into a huge firing line if you intercept in someone’s trouble.
It’s the dark side Luke! Beware the Force!
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I would like to tell you an even scarier story set in the south...
I won’t type it fully as sometimes forums are monitored ‘somehow’ (not referring to you Raoul).
Essentially, it involved a small group of party going foreigners who ended getting attacked by locals but after some pretty hairy fighting (with bricks and such like) they were completely surrounded by what seemed to be a neighbourhood of people – just assuming the foreigners were to blame… thankfully the police arrived to restore calm, but that shook me up when I heard it.
Watch out lads.
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I would like to tell you an even scarier story set in the south...
I won’t type it fully as sometimes forums are monitored ‘somehow’ (not referring to you Raoul).
Essentially, it involved a small group of party going foreigners who ended getting attacked by locals but after some pretty hairy fighting (with bricks and such like) they were completely surrounded by what seemed to be a neighbourhood of people – just assuming the foreigners were to blame… thankfully the police arrived to restore calm, but that shook me up when I heard it.
Watch out lads.
This sounds like a story worth hearing.
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There have been a couple of times here where my Spidey sense has started tingling and told me to get out of there.
Basically, imagine all the friendliness and curiosity that is directed at you simply because you are a foreigner, take that and make it negative because you are a foreigner now suspected of wrongdoing. It can happen anywhere in the world of course, but it just seems to spark off that little bit easier here, perhaps because we are so visible a minority, perhaps because people live on top of one another.
It helps to have a modicum of good sense too, most problems seen to involve booze.
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Spot on MK.
Chinese are very communal people, so localised riots seem to easily spring up and require heavy authority suppression. But yeah, being visible and foreign ain't always great. Take, for example, the mob-like aggression against Carrefoure a couple of years ago - now, can YOU tell the difference between a Frenchman and say, an Irishman? Really? So, the underlying mobbishness which is here and very real, make no mistake (and let's hope this national trait remains alseep forever!), could get far worse if world politics upset the Chinese. Yeah, can happen anywhere in the world -there are far worse places- but it's here and silently watching.
So, in my view, avoid getting involved if you see something happening in the street. Old lady getting mugged is quite different, of course: but otherwise, I'd probably stay a distance and call the police to sort it out. It takes nothing for someone to exclaim "that foreigner pushed me!" and the 'mob' thing creaps in, and then who do the police believe?!? It's much easier for them to force you, 1 laowai, out of that city than go against the sentiment (justified or not) of an entire community.
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I have a penchant for helping people I see are in a spot of trouble, like the kid who's crying or the old person who's taken a tumble. I'm just wondering how effectively I can suppress that sort of thing.
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Two days ago I was standing in the street and having a quiet smoke while reflecting on life in China.
I watched as two young guys (in their early 20's) sprinted across the street and attacked a young guy walking along the street with his girlfriend.
The attack lasted seconds - a full frontal assault of wild swinging blows and kicks that put the victim on the ground.
It would have continued but for the intervention of the girlfriend of one of the assailants. She had got left behind in the sprint but on arrival beat back both of the attackers with her fists. In the process she took some blows from her associates, who were so pumped up they were swinging at anything that got in their way. She then got in their face verbally and got them to back off.
I would like to meet that girl some day. She not only showed courage in a demanding situation but she also showed real determination in bringing about some form of resolution to a conflict that obviously had its roots in some previous incident. She has my total admiration.
Because things happened so fast I did not have time to get my camera out to record the initial assault but I have some photos that record the aftermath. In one of them, when the girl (she is wearing a yellow top) was trying to restore order, her boyfriend had another go.
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/xwarrior6/China%20-%20out%20of%20the%20ordinary/IMG_2883.jpg)
While she was trying to get the victim (orange hair) to calm down her boyfriend rushed back in with a flying kick. It is not obvious in the photo but she is in the process of pushing the victim out of the way of the kick while she got her body between the two to stop the attack going any further.
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Looks like she should think about upgrading her BF. She definitely deserves better than some violent punk who wants to do a 2:1 surprise attack on someone.
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Looks like she should think about upgrading her BF
For sure!
I forgot to mention the gf of the victim. She also did not back off the situation - she did what she could to help her bf.
She was bowled over in the first onslaught and it took her a minute to get up. She is on the left in this photo - stopping one of the attackers from re-entering the fray.
Brave girls!
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/xwarrior6/China%20-%20out%20of%20the%20ordinary/IMG_2881.jpg)
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Looks like she should think about upgrading her BF
For sure!
I forgot to mention the gf of the victim. She also did not back off the situation - she did what she could to help her bf.
She was bowled over in the first onslaught and it took her a minute to get up. She is on the left in this photo - stopping one of the attackers from re-entering the fray.
Brave girls!
She's a keeper! ajajajajaj I hope her BF took her out for a nice dinner after they got all the bruises and scraps dealt with.
Hmmmm... Maybe I should hire a couple of thick skinned thugs to come after me just to see if my darling wife would jump into the fray to save me. I'd be worried about 2 possibilities. 1. She might just stand there and watch. 2. She might jump in and kill the guys before I could stop her.
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How this is really scary! I have never seen anything like this! (in china, I'm from scotland where this sort of thing is unfortuantely common kkkkkkkkkk )
I have seen a few heated arguments and at one point witnessed a middle age man grab a guy by the throat and throw him to the ground! But the guy totally deserved it, so I simply smiled.
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Not really violence! xxxxxxxxxx
Just the reaction of one miss to a comment by her smart-arse boyfriend. She was not happy!
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Okay, here's our story. About a week ago a buddy and I are riding back home late from a poker game. As we're driving, we were about to pass a car on the side. Two young lovelys are going to the trunk, open it up while the male driver joins them. Just then POW! He slaps a chick. Before I came to a full stop, buddy jumps off the bike. He hunts down Mr. Tough Guy who is now running like a scared rabbit.
My friend isn't a huge guy, but I know he can kick this cowards ass. I parked my bike in front of the car and stayed on it incase he made a getaway. He's begging for forgiveness. Buddy is about to cock his hand but the chicks stop him.
Now, he's only been here a few months. As we ride home I try to explain why the girls were defending this loser. He dumbstruck! Welcome to the Muddled Kingdom, TIFC
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BTW, she can
lick kick my ass anytime
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Kind of reminds me of my wife. Happily, she's not here right now to beat me share her amusement at this image.
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I just can't see jumping into the locals' affairs in that way. See not, hear not, meddle not. Unless of course it was a more extreme situation, where not acting could lead to someone's death or maiming.
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Kind of reminds me of my wife. Happily, she's not here right now to beat me share her amusement at this image.
Kind of reminds me of mine too (except mine would have a knife in her hand). aoaoaoaoao Happily, she's now my ex-wife and not here either.
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The way some of these ladies HIT the keys on the poker machines, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of even a playful hit. aoaoaoaoao The boyfriend seems to be enjoying himself though. bfbfbfbfbf ahahahahah
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Heard on the news that the Government here in Aussie is looking into making it a criminal offense to walk past someone in trouble without trying to help in some way. aoaoaoaoao This may include calling the emergency number. Naturally this has opened a can of worms about all the legal aspects. It doesn't say much about us as human beings, but then perhaps it does. ananananan
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I have seen plent of foreigners get involved in the middle then take a thrashing for it.
I have been in a few physical altercations myself, the last one involved three guys and the cops were involved. The ringleader took a dislikng to my dog and took a swing at me where he lightly connected. when the cop showed up they lied about their involvment. the cop did not do anything to them, so i had a translator explain to the ringleader that if he ever hassled me again i would toss him out the ninth floor window. the cop did not like what I had said but after explaining that I had tried to do it the right way by talking to him he left me alone. Ever since I have not had a problem with the guys.
Another time I was at a bar with eight guys looking to do me in. I knew I was done for so I sat there smiling at the ringleader. I made no aggresive moves and just kept smiling, I will admit a bit wildly. After the yelled themselves out they went away.
Always keep your back to ythe wall I say, i figure if I am gonna get it I am gonna take out the ringleader if it is the last thing I do.
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Heard on the news that the Government here in Aussie is looking into making it a criminal offense to walk past someone in trouble without trying to help in some way. aoaoaoaoao This may include calling the emergency number. Naturally this has opened a can of worms about all the legal aspects. It doesn't say much about us as human beings, but then perhaps it does. ananananan
That's been the law in France for a long time. I'm all for it. But you're right: it's a sad comment on people.
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A while back i was on a site full of douchenozzles that have a hateon for china and there was a guy describinghis beatdown from a fewfellas he was apparently trying to help. In his description he was just going on and on with the most racist of comments and I believe he was wanting people to support his bile. I asked him if his attitude had anything to do with him being beaten up and was instantly labeled all sorts of unflattering thing. My original point was that maybe he had somewhat contributed to what happened to him but I guess personal responsibility is thrown out the window when coming here. As far as I know I am still being belittled over there but I stick to my assertion that maybe he should discover what his role in it was.
I really believe that because we are a minority here we need to be extra cautious when getting involved in things. I saw one foreigner step into a fight between a guy and a group of attackers only to be turned on by everyone even the guy who was being attacked. I really do not think any Chines person will step in for a foreigner if there is a fight for a few reasons. They will be labelled traitors to the country for one, they will have to explain things to the police which I am sure they do not want to do and there is a certain amount of fear.
I think the best thing to do and it sounds defeatist is to keep your head down, mind your ps and qs and remeber that you are ultimately alone in a country of 1.3 billion people. bibibibibi
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Perhaps it's as well that I'm not able to be in China. As with everything I do, I always say that I have to live with the knowledge of what I have or have not done. What anyone else thinks has no real bearing on that. I would be haunted night and day if I did not step in and help someone and I don't even stop and think about it. I have had many instances where I have intervened . I don't discriminate, I always help. Yeah! I know that one day I may be seriously hurt, but that would be easier to come to terms with than walking away. I also understand that we are all different and this just happens to be who I am. bfbfbfbfbf
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.... I also understand that we are all different and this just happens to be who I am.
And THAT is why we akakakakak you Granny.
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Today was a sunny day but not everybody was happy. As I passed a cellphone shop a customer remonstrated with the manager and then whacked him in the chest.
While dragging my camera out of its bag I managed to change the setting to 'Movie' and a 'movie camera it ain't.' Especially in what it hopefully refers to as '3D'. The few photos that follow are snapshots taken from the very short video.
The customer kept up a barrage of abuse. The manager moved down the street and looked like he was calling the Police ... while the man picked up a platic stool:
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The manager looked up and saw the man running at him. He looked around for an exit:
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The idiot decided to run in my direction:
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My viewfinder locked on to this sight:
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I moved on ... at some speed as I was not sure if he had switched targets.
Postscript: Within a minute the pair of them were standing together on the road. They flagged down a taxi and disappeared down the street. Presumably, they had arrived at some kind of Chinese solution to the problem.
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Wow xwarrior! I wish I understood modern technology and could take film of such interesting things. I'd love to know how these guys arrived at a solution so quickly. Thanks for taking the time to show it to us. agagagagag
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in the uk, the pm has introduced a 'good samaritan' law, so if you hurt someone by accident when trying to help, you cant be 'done' for it.
china is a backward beast, but its progress is lightening fast, another 10 years and attitudes should be more 'acceptable' to the likes of us!
of course, to them, we are the ones in the wrong! trying to help, thats crazy talk!